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    Thread: It is going to be getting dark very soon - tell me about indoor trainers

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      09-26-2012 05:44 PM #1
      I know nothing about trainers but given the wide range in pricing I presume there is a wide range in quality and features. This isnt for anything competitive but I don't want to miss out on opportunities to build some stamina during the dark nights. I have quickly found that hills do some great things, so I would like something that can be programmed between incline and flat, if thats possible. Not really sure on budget... I don't expect it will be $100 but also dont want it to be $500. If something good is out there for $200 - $300 that would be about what I plan to spend.

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      09-26-2012 06:08 PM #2
      picked up a CyclOps Wind trainer and climbing block off of Craigs last year for $100. It's pretty loud since its a wind trainer and not a mag one but it does the job.

    3. 09-26-2012 06:46 PM #3
      Rollers?
      Might as well work on form while grinding away for hours. Approved games include (in order of difficulty): Ride one-handed, ride no-handed, Eat a powerbar (bonus points if bar is frozen), take off jersey over your head while riding. Unclip one foot and repeat the sequence one-legged...

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      09-26-2012 09:15 PM #4
      I am interested in rollers, how much resistance do they provide, or do you just spin and spin. I am looking for something that will simulate hills too, can rollers do that in some fashion?
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      09-27-2012 09:18 AM #5
      If you're only going to get one indoor training device, get a trainer. I've got a cycleops magneto, and it works for just about everything except sprinting and you don't want to be doing that on a trainer anyways. Indoor training is way boring though, and you should buy some warm gear to do longer rides on the weekends or you'll go nuts riding inside. I always try to break up the boredom by doing intervals like 2x20min, 4x10min, or 5x 6min with incomplete recovery.

      Rollers are awesome, but they have pretty serious limitations. I've found, for one, that they don't have enough resistance to do real workouts on them. The normal roller size (4" maybe?) provides enough resistance to do a steady 180-200 watts, but if I put it into the 53x12, I'm still only pushing about 300 watts at 100 rpm. I've ridden smaller rollers too, and while they offer more resistance, its really tough to stay upright when you're riding normal/easy, say 150-180watts because you're going so slow at that effort level.

      So if you're doing primarily drills and steadier rides, a set of rollers works, but otherwise, I'd go with a trainer. If you've got the $$, get both. Also, if you've been riding for a while, the powerbar eating/one legged/standing is not that hard. I got into rollers late (been riding and racing 5 years already) but I picked it up in about 10 rides. Rollers will make you a better rider for sure though, inproving pedal stroke and helping you keep your line.

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      09-27-2012 09:51 AM #6
      Awesome, thanks for the input! It never gets too cold to do my weekend rides, those will just be later in the day instead of crack of dawn. There's only a few days it doesn't get over 50 by mid day during even the coldest months, but it can rain a lot. Will certainly still be riding outside but it will only be on weekends. I won't be able to ride to/from work or do anything when I get home midweek and I don't want the whole winter to be comprised of only weekends.
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      09-27-2012 10:03 AM #7
      I'm very happy with my Kurt Kinetic trainer. They have a new power meter coming out that works with their resistance unit through an app on your phone (I think). They also have wired one on the cheap. Great options for those that don't want to fork over the cash for the other alternatives.

      Their trainers are usually just a little bit above your range but you can get them for less if you catch a sale, get a coupon, or whatever through the online retailer you use.

    8. 09-27-2012 03:34 PM #8
      You are correct. Rollers only provide a limited (gearing related) amount of resistance. I find that most of the time for long workouts in Zone 1 or 2 I can get enough resistance in the big chain ring. My rollers came with an add-on magnetic resistance unit:


      This creates plenty of resistance for intervals.

      I'd love to try a set of "floating" rollers, like these:


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      Edit: Ze Englisch... It was somewhat falsch.
      Last edited by kanukVariant; 09-29-2012 at 10:54 AM.

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      09-27-2012 04:16 PM #9
      Trainers and rollers suck. Buy a light!
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      09-27-2012 06:00 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by merckx56 View Post
      Trainers and rollers suck. Buy a light!

      This^ you live in Palo Alto... you can ride year round. Trainers and rollers are for warm ups and places that have real winters.

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      09-27-2012 07:56 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by withnail View Post
      This^ you live in Palo Alto... you can ride year round. Trainers and rollers are for warm ups and places that have real winters.
      I'm not interested in riding at night especially when its cold. I'd much rather be on a trainer in my house than dodging cars in the dark. There's nothing to see and enjoy at night, thats a big reason why I ride.
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      09-28-2012 03:13 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      I'm not interested in riding at night especially when its cold. I'd much rather be on a trainer in my house than dodging cars in the dark. There's nothing to see and enjoy at night, thats a big reason why I ride.
      You live in Palo Alto. It does not get cold.
      Have you never gone outside when the moon is out?
      Riding inside on a trainer is the most boring thing ever. Worse than running.

      Taken in February, in Manitoba. -30F, I avoid pavement, but must share the trails with drunk snowmobilers, who are far worse than any motorist.
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      09-28-2012 06:49 PM #13
      It isn't going to happen. Any input on what to look for in trainers is welcomed though.
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      09-28-2012 11:41 PM #14
      Here's a Q related to this: I need a new computer for my bike and want to go wireless. I've noticed a lot of them mount to the front wheel. The problem with this is if you are on a trainer you have no idea what you're doing. Are computers like the Cateye Strada for example capable of putting the sensor on the rear wheel?

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      09-29-2012 07:25 AM #15
      I am pretty sure you can mount it on the rear instead of the front but you may run into some issues with the unit picking up the info from the sensor.

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      09-29-2012 07:15 PM #16
      If you were closer, I'd make you a great deal on a recumbent.
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      never thought once to use my lefty for the brake. sorry in my opinion it is dumb.

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      09-29-2012 08:46 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
      If you were closer, I'd make you a great deal on a recumbent.
      With cup holders and orange flags?

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      09-29-2012 09:31 PM #18
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      With cup holders and orange flags?
      No orange flags, but it has a shelf for your novel or tablet. Actually, I'd like this bike a lot more if the edge of the seat didn't cut into my leg. With no scenery to distract me, it gets very hard to ignore after a couple of hours.
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      never thought once to use my lefty for the brake. sorry in my opinion it is dumb.

    19. 10-02-2012 02:10 PM #19
      I have heard good things about cycleops but I went with Kurt Kinetic a few years back. it's a great trainer. Highly recommend, excellent customer service.

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      10-07-2012 04:44 PM #20
      I'm considering a CycleOps Wind trainer as it's gotten good reviews, simple for my entry-level self, and hits a nice price point of around $150 new. Also, I'd like to ride at night and practice getting used to clipless pedals/shoes.

      ETA: Picked up a CycleOps Wind trainer for $143 plus free shipping. 11 left. Being in wine country, I don't trust the tourist drivers in the daytime, let alone at night after they've wined and dined for a few hours...
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      10-08-2012 08:52 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Vee-Dubber-GLI View Post
      I'm considering a CycleOps Wind trainer as it's gotten good reviews, simple for my entry-level self, and hits a nice price point of around $150 new. Also, I'd like to ride at night and practice getting used to clipless pedals/shoes.

      ETA: Picked up a CycleOps Wind trainer for $143 plus free shipping. 11 left. Being in wine country, I don't trust the tourist drivers in the daytime, let alone at night after they've wined and dined for a few hours...
      Wind trainers are a decent economical option, and the resistance ramps up nicely. The only problem with them is noise, they sound like a jet engine when you really get going. Its not a big deal if you're doing intervals with your buddies in a garage with the music cranked, but it is a problem if you live in an apartment or something, or like to watch movies while riding.

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      10-08-2012 09:44 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by msrothwell View Post
      Wind trainers are a decent economical option, and the resistance ramps up nicely. The only problem with them is noise, they sound like a jet engine when you really get going. Its not a big deal if you're doing intervals with your buddies in a garage with the music cranked, but it is a problem if you live in an apartment or something, or like to watch movies while riding.
      I watched some YouTube videos on them and they didn't seem too bad. I plan on having headphones in as well. Plus, if my transition to clipless pedals doesn't go so smooth, I may not be on a bike for 8-10 weeks. One of the things I did have planned for it is helping that transition along in getting more comfortable with clipping in/out and mounting/dismounting.

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      10-22-2012 06:55 PM #23
      Had a gift cert + store credit + discount at the LBS where I bought my bike from, they sell CycleOps so thats what I went with. With the small place I live in + 10 month old as quiet as reasonable is important so I went with the Jet Fluid Pro, especially since I had ~ $250 of it taken care of already. Didnt have it in stock, comes in this week.
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      10-23-2012 01:45 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      Had a gift cert + store credit + discount at the LBS where I bought my bike from, they sell CycleOps so thats what I went with. With the small place I live in + 10 month old as quiet as reasonable is important so I went with the Jet Fluid Pro, especially since I had ~ $250 of it taken care of already. Didnt have it in stock, comes in this week.
      Nice! I saw that one, but didn't want to put up the $$$$ for it if I didn't like the trainer. The Wind isn't that loud; think large room fan or vacuum cleaner. Not quiet enough to watch TV with at normal volumes, but definitely not noticeable when you have earbuds in. Overall, I'm pretty happy with it, though running it at my highest gearing still provides a somewhat easy ride; longer time then, no biggie.

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      10-25-2012 01:41 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by kanukVariant View Post
      Rollers?
      Might as well work on form while grinding away for hours. Approved games include (in order of difficulty): Ride one-handed, ride no-handed, Eat a powerbar (bonus points if bar is frozen), take off jersey over your head while riding. Unclip one foot and repeat the sequence one-legged...

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