your all wrong on this. i was a previous honda owner. owned a eg bubble, sedan and vw are just so much better built then any of those. my mk3 just feels soo much stiffer and well balance. just doesnt flex like hondas do. doesnt feel like it going to fall apart. omg and when my Vr roars i wet my pants. after i switch a honda just sounds like a stupid chihuahua dog that just barks and barks and doesnt shut up. i can even count how many hondas ive embarrased (and just minor mods). i love when i go to meets and the honda guys just stare me down. and when i had my honda it would just be like. "oh its just another honda". oh and once Vw started the stanced look. stretched tires wide rims. slammed. here comes honda owners doing the same.