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      10-02-2012 07:44 AM #126
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      10-02-2012 07:50 AM #127
      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      A Tucker is a Unicorn, but I just saw 7 real ones (of 48, I believe) in one place at the Glenmoor Gathering. They kind of lose their Unicorn-ish appeal when you see so many of them in one place.

      A '56 Continental Mark II might be considered a Unicorn. With only 3,000 made how many have seen one in person?
      I've seen a few Mark II's but I don't count in these situations since I go to so many car shows.

      I've also seen a street driven unrestored Tucker.

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      10-02-2012 09:02 AM #128
      Unicorn status?



      I saw one of these last weekend at Home Depot. I've seen like 3 of these on the road, ever. I've seen more of pretty much every other Lotus street car than I have of these odd little 90's Lotus roadsters.

    4. 10-02-2012 09:22 AM #129
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfVIDriver View Post
      Can we get an understanding of what a Unicorn is, by the way?

      A unicorn, to me, is a car that means something to you, is very special/rare/hard to find, and every time you try to buy/find/obtain one, you come up empty.

      My 1991 Taurus SHO is a unicorn, because its a rare model thats hard to find in good condition, and is something I have wanted since before I had a drivers license.

      An XJ220, while insanely rare and cool (despite being at a car show) is not what I would call a unicorn.
      SHO
      The SHO would go on to be produced for ten years in three generations, totaling 106,465

      XJ220
      A total of 281 road-cars(XJ220) were made
      Although the XJ220 was not built in compliance with the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards of the United States, it has since become possible to privately import it to the US under the "Show and Display" exemption.


      You're right, the SHO is more of a unicorn than the XJ220.
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      10-02-2012 09:30 AM #130
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      10-02-2012 09:33 AM #131
      Quote Originally Posted by karl_1052 View Post
      SHO
      The SHO would go on to be produced for ten years in three generations, totaling 106,465

      XJ220
      A total of 281 road-cars(XJ220) were made
      Although the XJ220 was not built in compliance with the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards of the United States, it has since become possible to privately import it to the US under the "Show and Display" exemption.


      You're right, the SHO is more of a unicorn than the XJ220.
      I thought that was pretty funny, myself.
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      10-02-2012 10:04 AM #132
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      Unicorn status?



      I saw one of these last weekend at Home Depot. I've seen like 3 of these on the road, ever. I've seen more of pretty much every other Lotus street car than I have of these odd little 90's Lotus roadsters.
      Don't know how many we're ever produced. Lotus only sold these here in the states for the '91 model year and I have only. Ever seen one on the road about a Cade ago in NYC. Unicorn for sure.

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      10-02-2012 11:11 AM #133
      Quote Originally Posted by a2a4raddo View Post
      Don't know how many we're ever produced. Lotus only sold these here in the states for the '91 model year and I have only. Ever seen one on the road about a Cade ago in NYC. Unicorn for sure.
      Weirdly, I have two friends that own these. One bought his new around '93 or so when Lotus lowered the MSRP from $40K to $30K to get rid of them. The other guy bought his used in the late '90's. I'm thinking around 600ish total were sold here. Isuzu engine and lots of parts, similar to the Toyota connection on current models.
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      10-02-2012 11:16 AM #134
      Quote Originally Posted by Armed Escort View Post
      Ok, mass produced, but incredibly rare in Vancouver: MG TF, with Mexican plates, just sitting on a street in Coal Harbour.


      I've been to Vancouver once in my life (a few weeks ago) and I saw that EXACT car! Pointed it out to my wife since I'd never seen one in the states. Didn't know if Canada got them or not.

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      10-02-2012 11:16 AM #135
      Quote Originally Posted by neu318 View Post
      Spotted one in Key West FL. Sorry for the crappy phone pic

      I could be wrong, but I think those are both plastic.
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    11. 10-02-2012 12:02 PM #136
      Quote Originally Posted by karl_1052 View Post
      SHO
      The SHO would go on to be produced for ten years in three generations, totaling 106,465

      XJ220
      A total of 281 road-cars(XJ220) were made
      Although the XJ220 was not built in compliance with the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards of the United States, it has since become possible to privately import it to the US under the "Show and Display" exemption.


      You're right, the SHO is more of a unicorn than the XJ220.

      Reading skills are a little lacking, aren't they?

      A unicorn is something special TO YOU. An SHO is special to me. I don't really want an XJ220.

      In Gone in 60 Seconds, (which I admit isn't exactly the zenith of modern cinema), Cage's unicorn was a 1967 Shelby GT500. Not as rare as an XJ220, but still special to him.

      "A unicorn is the one car that no matter how many times you try to boost, something always goes wrong."

      Now granted we're not stealing cars here, but in terms of buying them, that's how I define a unicorn. I have tried to buy something like 10 SHOs....and there was something wrong that stopped the deal with all of them.

      Everything else is just simply rare or uncommon.
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      10-02-2012 12:12 PM #137
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfVIDriver View Post

      Everything else is just simply rare or uncommon.
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      10-02-2012 12:16 PM #138
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfVIDriver View Post
      Reading skills are a little lacking, aren't they?

      A unicorn is something special TO YOU. An SHO is special to me. I don't really want an XJ220.

      In Gone in 60 Seconds, (which I admit isn't exactly the zenith of modern cinema), Cage's unicorn was a 1967 Shelby GT500. Not as rare as an XJ220, but still special to him.

      "A unicorn is the one car that no matter how many times you try to boost, something always goes wrong."

      Now granted we're not stealing cars here, but in terms of buying them, that's how I define a unicorn. I have tried to buy something like 10 SHOs....and there was something wrong that stopped the deal with all of them.

      Everything else is just simply rare or uncommon.
      and what we are saying is that your definition of a car unicorn is NOT the generally accepted definition.

      a car unicorn is about rareness and how nearly no one has ever seen one beyond pictures.

      not how special a car is to you specifically.

      try also to think of it this way.
      go look to buy an SHO.
      go look to buy an XJ220.

      i can probably find 100 SHO's for potential purchase within a few minutes. (fyi between autotrader and CL i found 196 ads within 30 seconds)

      i am nearly 100% positive i could NOT find 100 XJ220's for sale world wide even if you gave me a year to research.
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      hell... i dont even think i can find ONE XJ220 for sale...
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      10-02-2012 12:21 PM #139
      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      This ^

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      10-02-2012 12:27 PM #140
      Quite certain I caught a glimpse of a 3.0 CSL like the one the OP posted around the corner from my apartment the other. Will confirm tonight.
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    16. 10-02-2012 12:34 PM #141
      Quote Originally Posted by dunhamjr View Post
      and what we are saying is that your definition of a car unicorn is NOT the generally accepted definition.

      a car unicorn is about rareness and how nearly no one has ever seen one beyond pictures.

      not how special a car is to you specifically.

      try also to think of it this way.
      go look to buy an SHO.
      go look to buy an XJ220.

      i can probably find 100 SHO's for potential purchase within a few minutes. (fyi between autotrader and CL i found 196 ads within 30 seconds)

      i am nearly 100% positive i could NOT find 100 XJ220's for sale world wide even if you gave me a year to research.
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      hell... i dont even think i can find ONE XJ220 for sale...

      You show me where this is defined somewhere in a dictionary and I will happily work within that definition.

      To me, rare = your definition of unicorn. A rare car is a rare car. Hard/impossible to find, not likely to see another one.

      I was at that car show with the XJ220. The owner opened the door for me. I smelled the leather, touched the door panel, and as a car geek, it was quite an experience...one I will never forget, as I am not likely to even SEE an XJ220 in person again.

      It's a RARE car. Unicorn? Not to me.
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      10-02-2012 12:42 PM #142
      Unicorn. It's one of a kind.

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      10-02-2012 12:43 PM #143
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfVIDriver View Post
      You show me where this is defined somewhere in a dictionary and I will happily work within that definition.

      To me, rare = your definition of unicorn. A rare car is a rare car. Hard/impossible to find, not likely to see another one.

      I was at that car show with the XJ220. The owner opened the door for me. I smelled the leather, touched the door panel, and as a car geek, it was quite an experience...one I will never forget, as I am not likely to even SEE an XJ220 in person again.

      It's a RARE car. Unicorn? Not to me.
      Unicorn = Rare. The end.

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      10-02-2012 12:45 PM #144
      I think Golf is getting his definition from Gone in 60 Seconds.

      Guy1: Man did you see Lizzie the other night? She looked amazing!
      Guy2: Son you still hooked on that girl? Give up!
      Guy1: What can I say bro? She's Eleanor!
      Guy2: True bro. That ****'s a unicorn!

      In this case Lizzie means something to Guy1. I'm sure there are 100s of other Lizzies, but that one is special, hence a unicorn

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      10-02-2012 12:51 PM #145
      Yes, we should all develop our automotive definitions by pop-culture movies.

      Hey, if he wants to think an SHO is something special, who are we to burst his bubble?
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      10-02-2012 01:05 PM #146
      The definition of a Unicorn

      u·ni·corn
         [yoo-ni-kawrn] Show IPA
      noun
      1.
      a mythical creature resembling a horse, with a single horn in the center of its forehead: often symbolic of chastity or purity.


      Definition of Myth

      myth
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      1. A traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

      2. Stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.

      3. Any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.

      4. An imaginary or fictitious thing or person.

      5. An unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.

      When you apply that to car terms, it has to be a car so damn rare that it has achieved the status of myth. Where people basically talk about them as they exist, but have never actually seen one. We could call this the mermaid, big foot, yeti, thread and it would be the same.

      Posting a car that we all know exists and have seen one, is not a car of mythical nature. By the logic of some here I will post a Chevy Berretta; I can't remember the last time I saw one, and the last few that I saw where beat to hell, so when I see a mint one; well it must be a unicorn.

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      10-02-2012 01:18 PM #147
      Quote Originally Posted by neu318 View Post
      Spotted one in Key West FL. Sorry for the crappy phone pic

      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      I could be wrong, but I think those are both plastic.
      CORRECT.

      If it's a replica it's not a unicorn...

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      10-02-2012 01:25 PM #148
      Quote Originally Posted by MRVW00 View Post
      WTF do you people have against reading?
      Seriously, right? this problem seems to infect most TCL threads.

      What OP wrote:
      Quote Originally Posted by romanl View Post
      i've seen similar threads pop up once in a while, but they never last.
      would be cool if we can keep on going for true UNICORNS (i know everyone's definition is different)
      so the only things i would suggest:
      1. you must be the one who spotted it and took the pic (please dont post pics form car shows or internets
      2. car shows/ gtg's shouldnt count,
      3. lets keep it to some very limited cars: classic or modern, i dont care.

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      10-02-2012 01:28 PM #149
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfVIDriver View Post
      You show me where this is defined somewhere in a dictionary and I will happily work within that definition.

      To me, rare = your definition of unicorn. A rare car is a rare car. Hard/impossible to find, not likely to see another one.

      I was at that car show with the XJ220. The owner opened the door for me. I smelled the leather, touched the door panel, and as a car geek, it was quite an experience...one I will never forget, as I am not likely to even SEE an XJ220 in person again.

      It's a RARE car. Unicorn? Not to me.
      I tend to agree, but with a slight deviation.

      9 times out of 10, an XJ220 is going to be impeccably maintained, owned by someone of means and only rolled out for car shows.

      9 times out of 10, an SHO, at this point in its life, has been through several owners, a few accidents, some questionable repairs, etc., etc.

      By that definition, a beautiful XJ220 is not a unicorn. It's a striking car that is valuable and desirable. Unicorn? Sure, if we're going purely by production numbers. But in real-world, how the car is used, what's it's exposed to, etc.? I wouldn't consider it a unicorn. Its odds of having a know-nothing owner or being driven through some broke-ass city filled with potholes and bad drivers is highly unlikely, and therefore, increases the likelihood of it leading a pampered life free from risk.

      A car like Matt's, or my ZHP, or someone with an unmolested Galant VR4 Turbo sedan, is far more likely to end up in the hands of an owner without the means (or concern/motivation) to preserve it because to 90% of the population, it's just a used car. For people in the know, a clean first-gen SHO is a true unicorn just knowing the odds of it falling into disrepair grow with every passing year.

      I'm sure in ten years, the car I just sold - an FA5 Civic Si sedan - will be a unicorn if it's still in the stock condition I left it. But with each subsequent owner, the odds of every driver caring for it like I did grows increasingly less likely. A car like my ZHP, however, that is now with its fourth owner and has never been modified or been in an accident is truly impressive, and increasingly difficult to find.

      Just my two cents.

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      10-02-2012 01:31 PM #150
      Quote Originally Posted by B3passatBMX View Post
      Quite certain I caught a glimpse of a 3.0 CSL like the one the OP posted around the corner from my apartment the other. Will confirm tonight.
      I may have seen that at Road America a few years ago.

      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      Unicorn. It's one of a kind.

      I hope so.

      FWIW I really don't get all of the SHO hoopla. Every owner I have met thinks they have a museum piece as well as a race car.

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