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i really liked the event! i was a judge. it was hard to to judge because the cars were all over the place.
what if it was held at the dover race track parking lot ?
1.) Show cars can ONLY preregister as it is. So that's been covered. There is no registration at the show.
2.) There is seperate show car/spectator entrance already. Show cars had to enter in the main gate...spectators entered in down by the cabins. All obviously off the same street...but maybe having the spectators turn left ahead of Daly and enter in the back way would be a good idea to keep the traffic at a minimum. But, this was the first year at this particular venue...so there will be hiccups and things to learn from.
3.) Already covered since pre-registration is the only thing permitted. Registration ends the Sunday before the show.
4.) There's probably no parking permitted across the street and down the sides of the road due to it being private property and maybe a safety issue on the side of the road. I would assume school buses are fairly cheap to rent out with a driver. Worth looking into though!
5.) Show cars pay for the vehicle entry and driver entry. They receive a free tshirt and other goodies in the bags they're given at Will Call. Keep in mind this show is a business...so they're going to make their money where they can after all of their expenses are covered.
6.) Show cars must be parked in their spots at 11am. Not sure if you remember the ruckus from last year, and pretty much every year prior to that, but people were PISSED that they closed the gates at 11am on the dot because "they sat in traffic even though they left their hotels/condos at 10am to make it by 11am". Making show cars wait to leave until a certain time is a GREAT idea. That always bothers me when show cars leave early. They get judged and then roll out. Serious waste of the judges time.
8.) The show IS limited to VAG cars. Any other makes/models you saw in the show field with a dash card were registered in Club Parking. They aren't judged. It's just a club that wanted to park together.
Theres an airfield out near frontier town maybe it would be large enough to show the cars in attendance??? I'm not sure. Parking may be a challenge but to convince them to let you have a show there??? That might be another story alltogether.
IMO, I haven't been to H20 in two years and unless things change, I doubt I will be going anytime soon either........
Have not read through all I this thread yet but I honestly loved the venue this year despite the fact of how packed it was. I know people were turned away it was so packed. Sucked how muddy the vendor section was, but with the rain that was unavoidable. Did notice how many less vendors there were though. Cars through out the camp ground made for great photos and there was a ton of shade to get out of the sun. Overall I enjoyed it.
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Honestly, I have no real grips besides the $20 a head to get in. And really my only complaint is that that money, well, the proceeds from the event should be going to some kind of good cause. I don't mind paying $20/ea to get in, as long as its going to a good cause, and that cause is advertised
i didnt think the show this year was that bad. Need to work on a few things like parking and judging. There will always be people bitching.
On another note if Jay was still looking into property what about contacting the other groups that have car/motorcycle shows thru out there year and see if they would be interested in renting the property that Jay gets.
If the prpoerty can be set up for general use, a few entrances, few exits, maybe a large pole building to center operations out of along with some of the other things Jay was talking about last year. Burn out pit, port a potties or full bathroom area, camping area, gravel or paved parking he may be able to attract other shows thru out the the year to help generate money and help with the costs of the property.
This is if he can find some property that will work for everything.
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I loved the show grounds, the location, the idea.
it can be made better.
1. more people directing parking, tons of wasted space.
2. get all the Product venders seperated from each other and spread out throughout the show grounds. This will make it more relaxed and less muddy on damper years.
3. Food area was perfect!!! Having top dog there was also.
4. I saw two huge fields not being used that had access from the show field.
5. I left kinda early as the whole people being turned away was happening. there were tons of empty car spots to park in from all the others who left around 1pm-2pm, many could have been let into the show to park.
6. Talk to one of the farmers or other locals about an alternate parking area and shuttle people in, or shuttle them in from OCMD. Not everyone wants to drive there and those who have been drinking and cant drive can attend the show.
7. Make the show 3 days.
bbq and swap meet friday, free to all except people selling at swap or food venders and let people get will call items.
Parts and performance venders and show sat and sunday. Show cars must attend at least one day to be judged.
8. cars need to be parked in groups... mk1, mk2, mk3, mk4... audi, Porsche for judging. nobody wants to look through a mismatch of cars. everyone has points of interest, define the points and they will spend less time at the show lost looking for the one car they wanted to see.
We set things like this up in the military all the time, you never put all your eggs in one basket. spread it out, slow it down, define your target areas and you will have more people, make more money, and have a much better outcome.
Just curious if something like this can be done. Possibly a way for people to sign up for txt msg alerts regarding show happenings, traffic issues, etc? Instead of having to worry about learning about issues via word of mouth, going to the H2O facebook page or website? Maybe make it a part of showcar clubcar registration.
For instance... Where on 50 were the accidents that backed everything up? East or West of the 90 interchange? Most people aren't familiar with the area or what alternate routes are. Looking at the map I'm seeing a few different routes that could have been taken depending on where the accident was. An alert to take a certain route to the show to avoid traffic/accidents would be helpful.
Last year traffic was terrible going to the bbq which the organizers realized and had signs installed for the show alerting showgoers of an alternate route.
best way to fix h2oi is to end it.
This year was a mess due to things outside of the event. While the show was at the race track they had 13 years to get everything right. If you think about it, this event this year went good for only holding it there one year. I liked the event area and the layout this year. I hated not having anywhere to "legally" park but I still went and had a good time. If the event is going to stay there they can work on things and correct issues. I'm sure things would go better next year if you work on it. I say keep it here and work things out.
very nice blue writing this year, sure there are some left you could get off them.
I totally was diggin the location..
Bus shuttles are also a great idea...
i actually had no issues...maybe organization for club parking and stuff but i think the venue was really cool! parking amung the trees was really cool aside from stuff falling on the car lol i had a great time, really enjoyed having the shade of the trees and stuff. id be very happy to see it at the campground again
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I had a great time, didn't sit in one bit of traffic and I flew from 1,000 miles away.
I LOVED the new spot, the trees and random cars parked throughout was awesome, much more fun and enjoyable then a parking lot or muddy open field like the race track.
Instead of bitching at the cars that were there, step your game up. I sat in 2 hours of traffic last year getting to the church and left after an hour. This year I made sure I left my condo before the show started.
People can complain all they want, but H2oi has become much more then just a VAG car event. Some for the better and some for the worse I agree. There was a lot of crap this year, but then again when do you ever remember seeing Ferraris, Lambos, high end turbo Porsches ripping the streets of H2oi..... I enjoy it. And no matter how you "restrict" it, people will come.
I will be there year after year in my M3 I've been coming down for 6+ years and I love the growth. If a group of idiots is doing burnouts at Roses and there are too many cars and no spaces you leave.... I did. I didn't complain once.
Last edited by Bsaint; 10-03-2012 at 06:08 PM.
Since this is only my second year attending, what happened to the race track? Has it been stopped at the race track ever since that A3 went crazy?
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