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      10-01-2012 10:03 PM #1
      It's only been around 2 years, which is a short time to judge a Bug by but it sure looked like the first generation New Beetle was popping up a lot quicker than Mk2. I believe VW's whole idea of trying to make the New Beetle Mk2 more appealing to guys backfired on them by giving the girls less inspiration to get excited about Mk2. The whole idea of doing that was just plain Why not try making Hello Kitty more appealing to guys too while you're at it?

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      10-01-2012 10:04 PM #2
      Mk2? How on earth is it Mk2?
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      10-01-2012 10:08 PM #4
      Not a fail.

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      10-01-2012 10:25 PM #5
      I would say no its not. it improved on everything the lest "new beetle" had to offer and it looks 1000 times better.. also VW calls it The Beetle no more new and no MK2
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      10-01-2012 10:33 PM #7
      What where their sales targets to begin with? Not sure we can call anything a failure unless we know what their objective was. With the amount of platform sharing these days, I doubt it's going to take a lot o volume to make a return on the Beetle. Also, the convertible version is not out yet. I'd expect sales to pick up well once that gets released, especially in SoCal.

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      10-01-2012 10:35 PM #8
      I wouldn't call it a failure, but it's hardly a success IMO.

      Doesn't have the impact that the New Beetle had in 1998. I think the NB stuck around too long and people just stopped caring altogether.

      If VW wanted to have a car with some serious nostalgic impact (like they did with the NB), they should've brought us the Scirocco.
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      10-01-2012 10:38 PM #9
      I hear about a lot of reliability issues with The Beetle... Have they ironed them out yet?
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      10-01-2012 10:42 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by MidnightSpecial View Post
      I hear about a lot of reliability issues with The Beetle... Have they ironed them out yet?
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      10-01-2012 10:44 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Detector View Post
      It's only been around 2 years, which is a short time to judge a Bug by but it sure looked like the first generation New Beetle was popping up a lot quicker than Mk2. I believe VW's whole idea of trying to make the New Beetle Mk2 more appealing to guys backfired on them by giving the girls less inspiration to get excited about Mk2. The whole idea of doing that was just plain Why not try making Hello Kitty more appealing to guys too while you're at it?
      It's been 2 years already? Yeah, it was introduced in late 2011 as a 2012... it's just barely into Model YEar 2013... so it's more like a year.

      It is a niche model for VW, which in August, sold more than the "flagship" CC in August 2012, as well the Tiguan, as well as the real miserable failure, the Routan
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      10-01-2012 10:49 PM #12
      Really? Failure? I'm a dude and I think it's surprisingly cool. I would totally rock a black one.

      Honestly, I think I like it because to me it's profile says less "Beetle" and more "Porsche 356 coupe".

      How freaking cool would it look lowered and riding on some Fuchs?
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      10-01-2012 10:49 PM #13
      If it were awd, there would be more interest.


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      10-01-2012 10:51 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Charlie84 View Post
      Really? Failure? I'm a dude and I think it's surprisingly cool. I would totally rock a black one.

      Honestly, I think I like it because to me it's profile says less "Beetle" and more "Porsche 356 coupe".

      How freaking cool would it look lowered and riding on some Fuchs?
      I like it too but I'm just judging by how few I see of them on the streets. Mind you I was around back in the 60's and 70's too when this car was VW's bread and butter and easier to be found than a Camry is today

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      10-01-2012 10:54 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Detector View Post
      I like it too but I'm just judging by how few I see of them on the streets. Mind you I was around back in the 60's and 70's too when this car was VW's bread and butter and easier to be found than a Camry is today
      In the last few months they seem to have exploded here in UT. I see two or three a day....

    15. 10-01-2012 11:04 PM #16
      In the beginning, it certainly looked like a flop, because sales started off miserably. When I started a thread about that, I was ripped a new azzhole by some. The production issues at Puebla had a lot to do with it in the early days as they couldn't build turbo models fast enough. That has since been ironed out and by the time you read VW's latest sales, some 27,000+ Beetles will have gone out the door, and that's just in the US. True, this is nothing like the first 98 NBs, but that was because we didn't have a Bug for 19 years.

      The important thing is that VW now acknowledges the Beetle for the iconic car it is, and it lives on. Some 1.6 million NBs were built from 98-10, and while the 12+ models are selling at a slower pace, they will likely be more steady as opposed to starting out like gangbusters and then plummeting year after year like the New Beetle did. Any model will slowly decline in sales as it ages, but I'd bet it will take much longer for the 12+ Beetle to do so, and even if or when that happens, a facelift is scheduled for 2017, anyway. Long live the Beetle!
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      10-01-2012 11:18 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by fiftysomething View Post
      In the beginning, it certainly looked like a flop, because sales started off miserably. When I started a thread about that, I was ripped a new azzhole by some. The production issues at Puebla had a lot to do with it in the early days as they couldn't build turbo models fast enough. That has since been ironed out and by the time you read VW's latest sales, some 27,000+ Beetles will have gone out the door, and that's just in the US. True, this is nothing like the first 98 NBs, but that was because we didn't have a Bug for 19 years.

      The important thing is that VW now acknowledges the Beetle for the iconic car it is, and it lives on. Some 1.6 million NBs were built from 98-10, and while the 12+ models are selling at a slower pace, they will likely be more steady as opposed to starting out like gangbusters and then plummeting year after year like the New Beetle did. Any model will slowly decline in sales as it ages, but I'd bet it will take much longer for the 12+ Beetle to do so, and even if or when that happens, a facelift is scheduled for 2017, anyway. Long live the Beetle!
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      10-01-2012 11:22 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by fiftysomething View Post
      In the beginning, it certainly looked like a flop, because sales started off miserably. When I started a thread about that, I was ripped a new azzhole by some. The production issues at Puebla had a lot to do with it in the early days as they couldn't build turbo models fast enough. That has since been ironed out and by the time you read VW's latest sales, some 27,000+ Beetles will have gone out the door, and that's just in the US. True, this is nothing like the first 98 NBs, but that was because we didn't have a Bug for 19 years.

      The important thing is that VW now acknowledges the Beetle for the iconic car it is, and it lives on. Some 1.6 million NBs were built from 98-10, and while the 12+ models are selling at a slower pace, they will likely be more steady as opposed to starting out like gangbusters and then plummeting year after year like the New Beetle did. Any model will slowly decline in sales as it ages, but I'd bet it will take much longer for the 12+ Beetle to do so, and even if or when that happens, a facelift is scheduled for 2017, anyway. Long live the Beetle!
      ^^^THIS^^^

      2012 Beetle hit lots in September/October 2011. Each dealer got only a couple of Bugs (one Launch Edition Turbo, one loaded 2.5L). As stated, due to supplier constraints, very few Bugs could be built and the most popular trim levels were no where to be found. Production issues just got ironed out in the last 3 months, so more trim levels (the most popular ones with sunroofs and Fender audio) are now reaching dealers.

      I've personally seen more Beetles in the past 2 weeks than the last 6 months put together. Hardly hard numbers, but there's something to be said for seeing more when driving the same route the same 5 days a week at the same times. Heck, someone at one of the buildings where I work has a white 2.5 and a random guy stopped to take a picture of it with his camera phone. I think that's a good sign.

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      10-01-2012 11:25 PM #19
      Also, Jamie has heard rumors that VW may release photos of the 2013 Beetle vert this week. That alone could boost interest in the car.

      I personally wouldn't be surprised if we see a new commercial for the Beetle soon. It would tie in well with the laughing people commercials they've had recently.

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      tt rip-off!


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      10-02-2012 06:22 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by VertigoGTI View Post
      If VW wanted to have a car with some serious nostalgic impact (like they did with the NB), they should've brought us the Scirocco.
      Yes, they totally have the same demographics!

      The Beetle is doing just fine.
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      10-02-2012 10:44 AM #22
      Anyone else think price is an issue with this car? I like the look, but I'm not seeing a value for what seems like a high price.
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      10-02-2012 10:50 AM #23
      I've only seen one around here though. I'm curious to see what the vert will look like.

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      10-02-2012 10:57 AM #24
      YES. I own a '12 Turbo and it's the absolute worst decision I've ever made in my entire life. My 2006 Kia Rio was more reliable, and that car was anything but reliable. I've been to service 10-15 times in the 8~ months I've owned this car. My next car will not be a VW. A few issues I've had: constant window issues after 2-3 "fixes", fuel sensor issue where it won't let you fill the tank up and never goes to "1", fuel pump issue where the car wouldn't get up and go like it should. Found this one out when I made a left turn out of my street and nearly got rear-ended because it took forever to even get up to 40mph. Several random check engine lights, rattles, wind noise....I hate this car. I want to like it so much, but I can't.

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      10-02-2012 11:00 AM #25
      i live in eastern pa and i still have yet to see one on the road...
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      10-02-2012 11:00 AM #26
      Judging by the above post, I suppose the only good thing about it is its looks.

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      10-02-2012 11:46 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by jhad03 View Post
      i live in eastern pa and i still have yet to see one on the road...
      Around here in the Chicago area, after all this time they're still a rare sight too. Which is why as far as sales go, I believe New Beetle gen 2 is a failure. While newbies such as the Hyundai Molester are popping up all over the place.

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      10-02-2012 11:59 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by vdub10golf View Post
      YES. I own a '12 Turbo and it's the absolute worst decision I've ever made in my entire life. My 2006 Kia Rio was more reliable, and that car was anything but reliable. I've been to service 10-15 times in the 8~ months I've owned this car. My next car will not be a VW. A few issues I've had: constant window issues after 2-3 "fixes", fuel sensor issue where it won't let you fill the tank up and never goes to "1", fuel pump issue where the car wouldn't get up and go like it should. Found this one out when I made a left turn out of my street and nearly got rear-ended because it took forever to even get up to 40mph. Several random check engine lights, rattles, wind noise....I hate this car. I want to like it so much, but I can't.
      You bought a car the first model year it was introduced, were you expecting no issues at all?

      Beetles at my dealer are selling like "hot cakes". We just sold 75 of them to enterprise for rentals, and since then, we haven't been able to keep them on the lot. With the launch of the TDi and the convertible (or a TDi vert' ) I expect sales to continue to climb. Lots of women still drive them, and lots of old people still drive them.

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      10-02-2012 12:02 PM #29
      I start seeing a lot of them around in the last few month, in the old "new beetle" color too(the pasty yellow and green, some odd baby blue). A lot of them on the retro wheels also. See a Turbo model once in a while as well. I do live pretty close to VWoA's tech center in MI, so maybe the pool is skewed a bit...

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      10-02-2012 12:07 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Detector View Post
      Why not try making Hello Kitty more appealing to guys too while you're at it?
      Why not? It worked for My Little Pony.


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      10-02-2012 12:09 PM #31
      I think you can only live off the New Beetle hype for so long and then you have do something although I am not sure trying to make it more masculine was the right decision. To me there is something PT Cruiserish about it that makes me run.

      In hindsight VW should have just refreshed it enough to make it still appealing to the sorority girl crowd. Trying to make it more grown up and/or masculine likely won’t give any returns; men can’t possibly make a significant market for this car and cougars should be looking at the VW EOS; assuming that is still in production.
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      This thread is more of a failure than the Beetle

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      10-02-2012 12:34 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0_Mazda View Post
      This thread is more of a failure than the Beetle
      Bingo. The only thing more annoying than his threads are his "cute" names he comes up. I'm surprised we haven't seen him use the term cross dresser.

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      10-02-2012 12:38 PM #34
      It looks good, and I briefly considered a turbo model before I spent some time on the forum and saw what seemed to be a TON of issues with the Beetle. It's like VW rushed it to market before ironing it out...

      They aren't selling well around here...

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      10-02-2012 12:43 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by MJZman View Post
      You bought a car the first model year it was introduced, were you expecting no issues at all?

      Beetles at my dealer are selling like "hot cakes". We just sold 75 of them to enterprise for rentals, and since then, we haven't been able to keep them on the lot. With the launch of the TDi and the convertible (or a TDi vert' ) I expect sales to continue to climb. Lots of women still drive them, and lots of old people still drive them.

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      In this day and age, yes I would expect little issues with a first model year car. Seems like that guy has every right to hate his car.

      I had my RSX-S the first year it came out, and it never once gave me one problem, and I had it until about 80k miles trouble free. And when I say trouble free, I mean not one problem with the car, ever. I really should have just kept that car, bad decision I made yes it was.

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