Haldex controller HPA vs Neuspeed

[qc337giac]

Has anyone installed an Haldex controller yet on their R ? I was wondering why is the HPA switchable controller less expensive than the race one and the Neuspeed switchable is MORE expensive than the race one. Is there any difference between the two ? I would think that they come from the same place but is the programming identical ?
Thanks for your help.

[Sales@HPAmotorsports]

Just for clarification.

The Switchable controller we sell is also sold by other companies.

the Competition unit is exclusive to us. ( Race mode all the time, no de-coupling of the rear end ) so it's an upgraded piece of equipment hence the higher price.

$1099.00 for the competition unit.

$999.00 for the Gen 4 switchable unit with no switch/remote
$1198.00 for the swichtable + switch
$1298.00 for the switchable + wireless remote.

All of ours are the stealth silver controller, not sure if other companies are getting the blue anodized units still.

[04PGLi]

I was also curious about this because some other companies claim to have a race version as well, ie, non switchable.

[Sales@HPAmotorsports]

Any switchable controller without the swtich defaults to race.

So its still the switchable controller only in Race mode.

The competition controller is a completely different controller that is in ' Race ' mode, but also will allow the rear end to remain engaged when the brakes are touched. This allows you to run much deeper into a corner using only engine braking, and when coming off the corner the rear end is already engaged, This makes your AWD car truly AWD instead of AWD.. sometimes.

[qc337giac]

Thanks Kier,
That is useful info. I noticed that the graphs of the switchable did not seem to be as much involving the rear diff as the competition, but could not be totally sure.
Do you know if there is any impact on the longevity of the rear diff ? How much does this impact on the fuel consumption (I know it is always a matter of the right foot, but let's assume that it is the same driver)

Edit : Sorry : Just read the sticky about the HPA comp controller and I'm convinced.

[jsausley]

Thanks Kier,
That is useful info. I noticed that the graphs of the switchable did not seem to be as much involving the rear diff as the competition, but could not be totally sure.
Do you know if there is any impact on the longevity of the rear diff ? How much does this impact on the fuel consumption (I know it is always a matter of the right foot, but let's assume that it is the same driver)

Noticed absolutely no change in fuel mileage when I installed mine.

[ThatVdub]

Competition controller:

MPG's will be affected, noticed or un-noticed.

Danger is increased in the wet (rain) and slippery (snow/ice).

[qc337giac]

Competition controller:

MPG's will be affected, noticed or un-noticed.

Danger is increased in the wet (rain) and slippery (snow/ice).

How can danger be increased when you have better front -rear distribution of power ? I have been driving in the snow for over 35 winters now and had also had a Subaru and an Audi with a full AWD system. It was never more dangerous than a partial AWD !

[ThatVdub]

You are probably an experienced driver.
What concerns me are the people who are not.

I once took a sharp turn with a fellow R32 driver who had a comp controller, and the road was
slippery, and he almost lost control, while with my oem unit, I did not even come close.
Same speed, same patch hit...

Anyone have a competition controller in their golf R?

Does binding EVER occur?
MK4 R32 binding most often occured during slow sharp parking lot turns.

[ThatVdub]

Don't get me wrong, I think the comp controller is badass.
We have a more modern AWD system than 2 gen's prior,
So what I posted may no longer apply.

Personally, I would get the switchable version from HPA.

Plus, you should not compare Subaru's and Audi's AWD system
to ours, they are not similar systems or comparable.

[Rebellionelite]

You are probably an experienced driver.
What concerns me are the people who are not.

I once took a sharp turn with a fellow R32 driver who had a comp controller, and the road was
slippery, and he almost lost control, while with my oem unit, I did not even come close.
Same speed, same patch hit...

Anyone have a competition controller in their golf R?

Does binding EVER occur?
MK4 R32 binding most often occured during slow sharp parking lot turns.

I do, Zero binding. This was also a concern of mine, my buddies STI binds like crazy at low speeds. My R does not.

As for your comment regarding control, I actually feel more secure with the Comp controller, it makes the car feel a lot of stable when taking a turn at speed, feels like the car grips harder. However, I don't push my car on the street, so its going to have to wait till next year to be tracked. Also be aware that our ESC systems when on (I can disable) don't let you go sideways and will help you regain control of the car in the event you do lose control.

[ThatVdub]

Cool, that is good to know that you aren't experiencing binding.

Comp is as good as it gets for dry grip, that is for sure.
Also fun if you want to tear it up in the snow.

[Rebellionelite]

Cool, that is good to know that you aren't experiencing binding.

Comp is as good as it gets for dry grip, that is for sure.
Also fun if you want to tear it up in the snow.

Its already starting to snow here

[Sales@HPAmotorsports]

How can danger be increased when you have better front -rear distribution of power ? I have been driving in the snow for over 35 winters now and had also had a Subaru and an Audi with a full AWD system. It was never more dangerous than a partial AWD !

[ThatVdub]

Why do you think OEM releases the rear wheels during braking and decel?
For safety, not performance.

I try to see it like having a RWD and downshifting (decel drag) around an icy turn kind of dangerous.
No, it is not to that extreme, but it's to help form a picture.

[Sales@HPAmotorsports]

Why do you think OEM releases the rear wheels during braking and decel?
For safety, not performance.

I try to see it like having a RWD and downshifting (decel drag) around an icy turn kind of dangerous.
No, it is not to that extreme, but it's to help form a picture.

Lawyers. Every street car is engineered to go head first into something as that's where you have the safest protection.

The example you gave is what an idiot would do when driving. Car's not the problem, problem exists in the driver seat.

My Passat doesn't disengage going around a corner when I hit the brake, however the Torsen based system is probably one of the most stable and safest systems to have in an inclement weather. And i have NO traction control, or ESP.

you constantly beat this dead horse, it is NO more unsafe than the stock controller. As others have mentioned having correct 4 wheel engagement will have less weight transfer and less likelyhood of anything going on with the car. Your ESP, ABS, TC systems are all in tact, and will still try an ensure your safe.

You really need to let it go..