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    Thread: Any worse ergonomics fail than the GM hazard switches from the 1980s?

    1. 10-02-2012 01:46 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Who the **** turns on the hazards while driving and turning?
      VW T4 and Mk3 drivers who have the hazard switch on top of the column.

      This to me is a worse offender than the GM switch.




      The T4 was a pretty big offender too in that the switch is tall and narrow and is easy to bump while wiping down the cluster and dash and can break off too easily.

      I don't know why they treated hazard lights so differently from any other switchable electric consumer with respect to ergo.

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      10-02-2012 01:46 PM #27
      Back when airbags were still relatively new tech for most companies and made for huge, otherwise unfunctional steering wheel hubs. The horn buttons were often like tiny little Chiclets set on the wheel spokes. Trying to hit your horn in a panic situation (like someone swerving in your lane) was always a pointless exercise in mashing your hand into the airbag with no effect.

      I used to wonder if I'd knock myself out with my own fist trying to hit the horn in a wreck while the airbag deployed.

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    3. 10-02-2012 01:48 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by choochoo View Post
      not worse than those old GM hazard switches
      but I find this really annoying on our E90.
      This is the only unlock button in the car.

      Would it really kill them to put one on the driver & passenger door??? Plus it's tiny.
      Well why not put a central locking button in the center of the car? The switch doesn't do just one door so why put it on the door if the scope of what it operates is all the doors?

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      10-02-2012 01:51 PM #29
      I have a worse one, the switch surround from mid 90's fords broke constantly.


    5. 10-02-2012 01:51 PM #30
      I never understood this (70s Ford Maverick):



      What if the passenger is too cold or too hot? Only the driver is able to operate the HVAC?

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      10-02-2012 01:52 PM #31
      That really wasn't much worse than the more typical hazard switch arrangement on older cars, which was to have a slider on top of the column. Why were the switches arranged that way? Was it just so the hazard switch could be part of a unit with the turn signal lever?
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    7. 10-02-2012 01:55 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Numbersix View Post
      I submit this:



      In the late 70's, Ford decided that having the horn button(s) on the steering wheel was too difficult/accidentally activated/I have no idea WTF they were really thinking. Solution? Put the horn button on the end of the turn signal stalk.

      I recall more than a couple of people slamming their hands on the steering wheel to no effect when trying to use the horn in Fords of that era.
      My Fairmont has this, but even worse. There is nothing indicating that the horn is on the turn signal stalk. I actually thought the car didn't have one until I accidently honked the horn while trying to signal.

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      10-02-2012 01:56 PM #33
      Try not to turn on your hazards 2-3X per trip when using the touch screen on the MFT. To make things worse, it's touch sensitive.


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      10-02-2012 01:58 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by CWDave View Post
      Torrential downpours or snowfalls give cause to flip them on to be more visible.
      God dammit I hate when idiots do this. The LAST thing I need is everybody on the road turning on their hazards in the rain so that every raindrop on the windshield magnifies the flashing light. **** people that do that....I hope they crash
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      10-02-2012 02:00 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      I never understood this (70s Ford Maverick):



      What if the passenger is too cold or too hot? Only the driver is able to operate the HVAC?
      When I was a kid, our neighbor had a Maserati Merak. I always thought it would suck to be the passenger and not be able to change the radio station

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      10-02-2012 02:01 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Tokyosmash View Post
      I have a worse one, the switch surround from mid 90's fords broke constantly.

      Not only that, the lock button could be really sensitive. That made it easy to lock the keys in the vehicle with the engine running. We had a delivery driver that did that repeatedly.
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      10-02-2012 02:01 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      I never understood this (70s Ford Maverick):



      What if the passenger is too cold or too hot? Only the driver is able to operate the HVAC?
      you must be trolling.

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      10-02-2012 02:03 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Seabird View Post
      Back when airbags were still relatively new tech for most companies and made for huge, otherwise unfunctional steering wheel hubs. The horn buttons were often like tiny little Chiclets set on the wheel spokes. Trying to hit your horn in a panic situation (like someone swerving in your lane) was always a pointless exercise in mashing your hand into the airbag with no effect.

      I used to wonder if I'd knock myself out with my own fist trying to hit the horn in a wreck while the airbag deployed.

      I went from a 66 Mustang with a center horn to a 92 Dodge with the buttons, got all lost in that for a while. When I got a Focus, I was back to the center horn, but when it came time to need it, I started looking for buttons.



      I'm glad the horn has found its rightful place back on the center of the steeting wheel.

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      10-02-2012 02:04 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      I never understood this (70s Ford Maverick):



      What if the passenger is too cold or too hot? Only the driver is able to operate the HVAC?
      lol duh....only the driver should operate the HVAC!
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      10-02-2012 02:04 PM #40
      I use them occasionally on the highway on my way home from work. The lane to merge onto 95N from 91S can be somewhat of a blind curve and I approach cautiously. With the sun positioning and people that are literally stopped in the line of cars while the other lanes continue on at 50-60+, it necessitates the use to let the people behind you, or those who may want to come over last minute that your not only slowing down, but stopping due to a backup of traffic.

      I won't keep them on though once the guy behind me gets it and slows down as well. Other than that I don't use them.

      I had an '84 Escort that had the hazard button on the top of the steering column so you have to either reach around or through the wheel to activate it. Also had the horn on the stalk which I found by accident.

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      10-02-2012 02:09 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by ATL_Av8r View Post
      When I was a kid, our neighbor had a Maserati Merak. I always thought it would suck to be the passenger and not be able to change the radio station

      Who would want to listen to the radio in one of those? The Merak V6 sounds incredible.

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      10-02-2012 02:16 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      I never understood this (70s Ford Maverick):



      What if the passenger is too cold or too hot? Only the driver is able to operate the HVAC?
      We have 2 Mavericks and a Gran Torino. The hazard switch isn't that hard to operate IMO. The HVAC is on the left side of the column in all 3. Just ask the driver to change the temp.
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      10-02-2012 02:17 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by dub01 View Post
      Not only that, the lock button could be really sensitive. That made it easy to lock the keys in the vehicle with the engine running. We had a delivery driver that did that repeatedly.
      That's not an ergonomic fail though....

      Quote Originally Posted by BostonB6 View Post
      Try not to turn on your hazards 2-3X per trip when using the touch screen on the MFT. To make things worse, it's touch sensitive.

      that's awesome

      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      Well why not put a central locking button in the center of the car? The switch doesn't do just one door so why put it on the door if the scope of what it operates is all the doors?
      not sure if serious.... because you want to have buttons that you use often within the reach of the driver. That's what good ergonomics is, right?
      Another gripe about the E90 ergonomics. I always find the window switches quite a long reach.

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      10-02-2012 02:19 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by choochoo View Post
      Another gripe about the E90 ergonomics. I always find the window switches quite a long reach.
      At least they're finally on the door. The E30/36/46 had the worst window switch setup ever
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      10-02-2012 02:19 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Seabird View Post
      Back when airbags were still relatively new tech for most companies and made for huge, otherwise unfunctional steering wheel hubs. The horn buttons were often like tiny little Chiclets set on the wheel spokes. Trying to hit your horn in a panic situation (like someone swerving in your lane) was always a pointless exercise in mashing your hand into the airbag with no effect.

      I used to wonder if I'd knock myself out with my own fist trying to hit the horn in a wreck while the airbag deployed.

      THIS

      My old Grand Voyager and Cherokee were like that. Infurating when you actually need to use the horn.

      I also have that GM hazard switch in my Sierra. I must admit it did take me some time to figure it out. Especially how to turn it off.

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      10-02-2012 02:21 PM #46
      i vote everything seen below:


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      10-02-2012 02:24 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      I never understood this (70s Ford Maverick):



      What if the passenger is too cold or too hot? Only the driver is able to operate the HVAC?
      The Citroen C4 Picasso we rented in Ireland recently had a similar setup. Climate controls were on the driver's side between the steering wheel and the door.

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      10-02-2012 02:28 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by rawk View Post
      Our Classic Mini has the horn in the same location... very strange and unintuitive!
      My Triumph had it too. I found it was quicker to actuate than the button as my fingers were always very close to the stalk.

      Eh, I liked it.

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      10-02-2012 02:28 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1988 View Post
      i vote everything seen below:

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      10-02-2012 02:31 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      Well why not put a central locking button in the center of the car? The switch doesn't do just one door so why put it on the door if the scope of what it operates is all the doors?
      Because it's the driver who would normally use the switch. And it's been on the door forever, why change it? And why make the button tiny and hard to find? I was driving a Fiesta and went to unlock the doors to let someone in, and it took me a while to find the switch that wasn't located where it should have been.

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