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    Thread: Any worse ergonomics fail than the GM hazard switches from the 1980s?

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      10-02-2012 02:33 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Bakounine View Post
      THIS

      My old Grand Voyager and Cherokee were like that. Infurating when you actually need to use the horn.

      I also have that GM hazard switch in my Sierra. I must admit it did take me some time to figure it out. Especially how to turn it off.
      Yeah, but at least the buttons on the Chrysler were nice and big and right where your thumbs go.

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      10-02-2012 02:36 PM #52
      I hate the redesigned headlight switch in our 1986 Cutlass Supreme. It looks out of place to me.




      I wish the put the switches in our 1965 Skylark 4-door sedan elsewhere. Not our car pictured.
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      10-02-2012 02:40 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by jettagli1991 View Post
      Because it's the driver who would normally use the switch. And it's been on the door forever, why change it? And why make the button tiny and hard to find? I was driving a Fiesta and went to unlock the doors to let someone in, and it took me a while to find the switch that wasn't located where it should have been.
      I must admit I was frustrated at first with my E60 when I couldn't for the life of me find the door lock button. It just wasn't where the button is on just about every other car. Then I found it and gave myself the forehead smack.

      Now that I know where it is, it makes sense to have just the one button in a central location, and it's not hard at all to reach.

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      10-02-2012 02:44 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by Numbersix View Post
      pic snip...

      In the late 70's, Ford decided that having the horn button(s) on the steering wheel was too difficult/accidentally activated/I have no idea WTF they were really thinking. Solution? Put the horn button on the end of the turn signal stalk.

      I recall more than a couple of people slamming their hands on the steering wheel to no effect when trying to use the horn in Fords of that era.
      My old Mercury Lynx had the horn on the stalk. It's fine if you are expecting or planning to honk the horn, but in an emergency situation, you're going to slam your hand into the wheel. And the result is the sound of your hand hitting the steering wheel.

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      10-02-2012 02:50 PM #55
      Oh the memories of ripping that switch out one to many times when my ex accidentaly had it on. Also the Super Bettle one had a tendecy to fall into the dash when you push it to turn it off.
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      10-02-2012 02:51 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1988 View Post
      i vote everything seen below:

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      10-02-2012 02:54 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1988 View Post
      i vote everything seen below:

      The beauties of french design.
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      10-02-2012 02:56 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1988 View Post
      i vote everything seen below:

      My god.

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      10-02-2012 03:04 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by jettagli1991 View Post
      Because it's the driver who would normally use the switch. And it's been on the door forever, why change it? And why make the button tiny and hard to find? I was driving a Fiesta and went to unlock the doors to let someone in, and it took me a while to find the switch that wasn't located where it should have been.
      My Mk3 Golf had its central locking button in the center of the dash. It's not a "all cars have always done it this way" thing. Central locking buttons are often placed on the door because it's a door-related function, but there's plenty of precedent for lock buttons in the dash or center console (along with window switches placed likewise).
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    10. 10-02-2012 03:04 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Ugh. This thread is a perfect example of the mkIV/B5 interiors raising the bar for plebeian transportation. My first 5 cars had this switch and I never had a problem with it. As a matter of fact, I still miss the old GM cruise controls too.
      Exactly.

      When you consider that even mercedes didnt have an interior of the same tactile quality at the time it seriously raised the bar for all other makers.

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      10-02-2012 03:15 PM #61
      IMO, this was the worst part of my old a$$ Olds Cutlass Cierra


      I kept breaking the door key

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      10-02-2012 03:15 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by AKADriver View Post
      My Mk3 Golf had its central locking button in the center of the dash. It's not a "all cars have always done it this way" thing. Central locking buttons are often placed on the door because it's a door-related function, but there's plenty of precedent for lock buttons in the dash or center console (along with window switches placed likewise).
      I don't have a problem with the central locking button on the central console, besides it being a small button. but a lack of one on the doors seems like a glaring omission IMO.

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      10-02-2012 03:20 PM #63
      My first car was an 80's J-body. It had that horrible switch

      Quote Originally Posted by Tokyosmash View Post
      I have a worse one, the switch surround from mid 90's fords broke constantly.

      And my second car was a '96 Probe, and this exact piece broke apart and fell into the passenger door panel Also the backlighting in these switches started to die after a while, which meant fumbling around in the dark to try to lock the doors or put the window down.

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      10-02-2012 03:25 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by Lucian1988 View Post
      i vote everything seen below:

      Citroen?

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      10-02-2012 03:37 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by gonzo08452 View Post
      IMO, this was the worst part of my old a$$ Olds Cutlass Cierra


      I kept breaking the door key
      What?? Those keys were awesome! Especially the all-metal ones, without the plastic ends. They were short, simple, and easy to tell apart.



      At one point, I had three sets of them on my key ring in my pocket. To this day, they were some of the smallest car keys I ever carried - not the giant remote-control monstrosities that "modern" car keys are.

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      10-02-2012 04:53 PM #66
      My 2002 Z28 has that switch.

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      10-02-2012 04:54 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by WD-40 View Post
      What?? Those keys were awesome! Especially the all-metal ones, without the plastic ends. They were short, simple, and easy to tell apart.
      This.

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      10-02-2012 05:53 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      VW T4 and Mk3 drivers who have the hazard switch on top of the column.
      Ergonomically, yeah its a pain to hit when in motion. But the feel of the button, and that it lights up in a huge hazard implying way? TOTALLY AWESOME.
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      10-02-2012 06:24 PM #69
      Bitching about the lock button on an E90 makes me laugh. There wasn't even a lock button on a 2004-2005 GTO.
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      10-02-2012 06:27 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by Numbersix View Post
      I submit this:



      In the late 70's, Ford decided that having the horn button(s) on the steering wheel was too difficult/accidentally activated/I have no idea WTF they were really thinking. Solution? Put the horn button on the end of the turn signal stalk.

      I recall more than a couple of people slamming their hands on the steering wheel to no effect when trying to use the horn in Fords of that era.
      Also when airbags first came out and the horn was moved to the little buttons on the sides of the steering wheel (I think the Aveo still did this until like last year ).

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      10-02-2012 07:02 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Old Windy View Post
      The silly stupidity of french design.
      FTFY

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      10-02-2012 07:06 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by WD-40 View Post
      What?? Those keys were awesome! Especially the all-metal ones, without the plastic ends. They were short, simple, and easy to tell apart.

      Why should you need to tell them apart? Why have two different keys at all? A single key for a single car. I can't believe it took GM until the 1990's to fix that ergonomic fail. And, they held onto the dual key setup despite customer preference:

      GM issues one key that operates the doors and trunk, and a second key for the ignition, despite research indicating that customers prefer a single key.

      Toyota had single keys that could be inserted either way since the 1970's. VW, at least since the 1980's (my '84 Rabbit had a single symmetric key). GM / Ford held on to the dual key setup for decades.

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      10-02-2012 07:11 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      Also when airbags first came out and the horn was moved to the little buttons on the sides of the steering wheel (I think the Aveo still did this until like last year ).
      I prefer the buttons.

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      10-02-2012 07:28 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by MontoyaF1 View Post
      Anyone else annoyed by this? Has any company made a switch that was worse from an ergonomics point-of-view?
      Touch sensitive buttons instead of buttons that you press to activate. Makes accidentally activating other functions easy when trying to locate a button by feel while keeping your eyes on the road.



      Touch screens for commonly used functions have the same problem. Or worse if you have to dig through layers of menus.


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      10-02-2012 07:33 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Who the **** turns on the hazards while driving and turning?
      If you are driving on the freeway and encounter a sudden slowdown in an unexpected place, it may be advisable to turn on the hazards to try to wake up the driver behind you who would otherwise rear-end you because s/he was not paying enough attention.

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