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    Thread: Atlanta refuses to name a street after Ferdinand Porsche because of ties to the Third Reich

    1. 10-03-2012 01:00 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by intercedeGLI View Post
      They removed the Confederate logo from the state flag in 2001 after some pretty extreme national pressure. Seems fair. Porsche was who he was.
      from my understanding i thought Porsche hated Hitler but siezed the opportunity to build his "Peoples car" so he could afford to build his race cars

      i have to go look it up now. It was in a VW history book i have somewhere
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      10-03-2012 01:03 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Juiced6 View Post
      from my understanding i thought Porsche hated Hitler but siezed the opportunity to build his "Peoples car" so he could afford to build his race cars

      i have to go look it up now. It was in a VW history book i have somewhere
      Pretty much every former Nazi who wanted to be successful after the war "hated Hitler".

      Really makes you wonder how he got so much power... you know, since everyone hated him... hmm.

    3. 10-03-2012 01:09 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      Pretty much every former Nazi who wanted to be successful after the war "hated Hitler".

      Really makes you wonder how he got so much power... you know, since everyone hated him... hmm.
      just from what i remember

      Benz was the original car company and they told Hitler no


      i personally do not care what the city of Atlanta does
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      10-03-2012 01:28 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      Pretty much every former Nazi who wanted to be successful after the war "hated Hitler".

      Really makes you wonder how he got so much power... you know, since everyone hated him... hmm.
      Politics were just as complicated in the 1930s in Germany as they are anywhere today. To an extent, Germany was in the middle of a depression and people were ready to turn a blind eye to extreme/conservative social rhetoric in hopes of a better economy. The National Socialists were experts at exploiting that. Disenchantment with the existing status-quo also aided the National Socialists. They way people talk about it, it's like the National Socialists were campaigning on "we'll gas the jews and start a war with everyone". That didn't happen.

      Just like how more people are ready to vote for Romney than people who actually like Romney for the man he is and even the policies he runs on, just to vote against Obama and the status-quo.

      They may not have liked or even agreed with Hitler's social policies, but businesses were getting contracts that they couldn't dream of under the Weimar administration and individuals were working and putting food on the table.

    5. 10-03-2012 01:50 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by kimilein View Post
      Politics were just as complicated in the 1930s in Germany as they are anywhere today. To an extent, Germany was in the middle of a depression and people were ready to turn a blind eye to extreme/conservative social rhetoric in hopes of a better economy. The National Socialists were experts at exploiting that. Disenchantment with the existing status-quo also aided the National Socialists. They way people talk about it, it's like the National Socialists were campaigning on "we'll gas the jews and start a war with everyone". That didn't happen.

      Just like how more people are ready to vote for Romney than people who actually like Romney for the man he is and even the policies he runs on, just to vote against Obama and the status-quo.

      They may not have liked or even agreed with Hitler's social policies, but businesses were getting contracts that they couldn't dream of under the Weimar administration and individuals were working and putting food on the table.
      thats so 2008, voting against the GOP status quo.
      Remember "change we can believe in" or was it "hope".

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      10-03-2012 03:17 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      Porsche could always buy the street, maintain it themselves, and name it whatever they want.

      Win for Porsche, win for the taxpayer, and win for the Third Reich.
      Hell, they could name it "Ferdy the Nazi Boulevard" and no one could touch it. Makes all of this seem like a lot of moot when the only thing standing in the way of anyone doing whatever the hell they want - regardless of what the PC Police has to say about it - is a little bit of cash.

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      10-03-2012 03:51 PM #32


      Do you guys think that this version of the Pzkfw VI had more "soul" than its Henschel counterpart?

      Um, but anyway, no sympathy for Nazis or their collaborators from me; yes I recognize that hindsight allows us to better judge what was going on at the time than people in the moment but I don't think it matters. If you happily dance with the devil, then that's going to be your legacy regardless of however many other people were dancing, too.

      So all this talk of Henry Ford's anti-semitism or the conduct of other German industrialists (abhorrent though it may be) is irrelevant to Porsche's complicity in genocide and war. And I don't think this means that people should feel bad about driving a 944 or whatever, either. Time has passed the man by and "Porsche" is now something else entirely.
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      10-03-2012 03:58 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      Pretty much every former Nazi who wanted to be successful after the war "hated Hitler".
      Being part German, I have several family members who served in the Nazi regime. From what I've been told (and maybe history books will back me up, or maybe not) by the end of the war, most Germans realized that the whole thing was a sham and didn't want anything more to do with it. The idea of killing Jews outright was well beyond what most were willing to accept.

      So, yeah, in the 1930s they loved him, and by the mid-1940s they hated him. (sh)It happens.

      Really makes you wonder how he got so much power... you know, since everyone hated him... hmm.
      That's a matter of historical record --

      1) Hitler gave millions of unemployed Germans jobs, both in the military, and in building the Autobahns.
      2) Hitler fomented racial hatred towards Jews and other foreigners, who were already disliked amongst Germans, and propoganda was used to convince the average idiot German that it was the Jews that caused them to lose the first world war.

      and that's pretty much it.

    9. 10-03-2012 04:02 PM #34
      Does anybody seriously believe deleting "Ferdinand" from the name negates any Nazi associations?
      Maybe if those associations are so important, they shouldn't allow Porsche to build the plant in the first place-problem eliminated.

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      10-03-2012 04:06 PM #35
      what they need is a nice non-politically charged street name like jefferson davis or robert e lee... oh wait, they already have a few of those in ATL

      but i guess that was culture, not racism.

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      10-03-2012 04:08 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by warren_s View Post
      Being part German, I have several family members who served in the Nazi regime. From what I've been told (and maybe history books will back me up, or maybe not) by the end of the war, most Germans realized that the whole thing was a sham and didn't want anything more to do with it. The idea of killing Jews outright was well beyond what most were willing to accept.

      So, yeah, in the 1930s they loved him, and by the mid-1940s they hated him. (sh)It happens.



      That's a matter of historical record --

      1) Hitler gave millions of unemployed Germans jobs, both in the military, and in building the Autobahns.
      2) Hitler fomented racial hatred towards Jews and other foreigners, who were already disliked amongst Germans, and propoganda was used to convince the average idiot German that it was the Jews that caused them to lose the first world war.

      and that's pretty much it.


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      Funny the parallels you can draw between present day US and 1930s Germany ... it's also funny that the party calling Obama a "Nazi" falls more in line with the xenophobic mantra Mein Kampf espoused..

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      10-03-2012 04:55 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      Funny the parallels you can draw between present day US and 1930s Germany ... it's also funny that the party calling Obama a "Nazi" falls more in line with the xenophobic mantra Mein Kampf espoused..
      Yup.

      Will also be very interesting to see how certain southern states and their racist citizens handle the great American tradition of naming roads, landmarks, aircraft carriers, etc. after past Presidents.

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      10-03-2012 04:55 PM #38
      Ferdinand Porsche would go well with Lee and Davis avenues in ATL.:
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      10-03-2012 05:03 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by kimilein View Post
      Now Henry Ford may not have been a card carrying Nazi but he was an antisemitic activist and did things that may even be described as anti-American. Ferdinand Porsche was a member of the Nazi party but so was a huge chunk of the German population that would have been non-political had the Nazis not forcibly politicized every aspect of life in Germany, including business. Porsche was held after the war for alleged war crimes but never charged. If he really was a big bad Nazi, both the German and the American authorities knew where he was. There's no denying or excusing Porsche's involvement during the 3rd Reich but it is massively ironic to overlook the fact that the street is already named for a family/company with an anti-semitic history while being unable to look beyond the label "Nazi".
      being Jewish...I hear all about this from older family. and you know what, Ford is/was the greater evil of the two.

      porsche was an engineer in a nazi country, not necessarily a nazi, but his company did make reparations to jews for slave labor used in WWII....Ford on the otherhand was a true anti-semite....far worse than the man who designed and built the weapons. as far as I can tell, and have looked into it, porsche went along with it as his life depended on it, not for personal reasons. ford was the opposite.
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      10-03-2012 05:06 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Air-over-water View Post
      Georgia inclusion, not real inclusion.


      The last thing I am looking for when landing in Atlanta is some flagship Porsche dealership near the airport.
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      10-03-2012 05:19 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      Funny the parallels you can draw between present day US and 1930s Germany ... it's also funny that the party calling Obama a "Nazi" falls more in line with the xenophobic mantra Mein Kampf espoused..
      1) That is totally off topic.
      2) No party calls Obama a "Nazi," xenophobic bigots do.

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      10-03-2012 05:24 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by .LSinLV. View Post
      being Jewish...I hear all about this from older family. and you know what, Ford is/was the greater evil of the two.

      porsche was an engineer in a nazi country, not necessarily a nazi, but his company did make reparations to jews for slave labor used in WWII....Ford on the otherhand was a true anti-semite....far worse than the man who designed and built the weapons. as far as I can tell, and have looked into it, porsche went along with it as his life depended on it, not for personal reasons. ford was the opposite.
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      10-03-2012 05:26 PM #43
      Wait, how big is the ash tray in a Porsche?

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      10-03-2012 05:29 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      Wait, how big is the ash tray in a Porsche?
      wow.

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      10-03-2012 05:45 PM #45
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      Because Nazis, yo! Needs more zombie content.




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      10-03-2012 05:55 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by BetterByDesign View Post


      The last thing I am looking for when landing in Atlanta is some flagship Porsche dealership near the airport.
      FYI - Porsche Cars North America has their NA operations/Headquarters in Atlanta.
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      10-03-2012 05:56 PM #47
      I'm glad! Who the hell wants to have to punch a name that long into a damn GPS?!

      Just name it Peachtree like every other ****ing street in Atlanta and be done with it!

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      10-03-2012 06:03 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by .LSinLV. View Post
      FYI - Porsche Cars North America has their NA operations/Headquarters in Atlanta.
      Right, but I dont see Coca Cola or CNN setting up at the airport. If anything, those two companies should vs. Porsche when I think of Atlanta.
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      10-03-2012 06:20 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by BetterByDesign View Post
      Right, but I dont see Coca Cola or CNN setting up at the airport. If anything, those two companies should vs. Porsche when I think of Atlanta.
      back when PCNA was based in Reno, NV. I went up there for training, and they would PDI the cars coming off the cargo planes right on the back taxiways....to make sure.
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      10-03-2012 06:24 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by The Igneous Faction View Post


      Do you guys think that this version of the Pzkfw VI had more "soul" than its Henschel counterpart?
      Lower it

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