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    Thread: VW announces 2013 Jetta Hybrid pricing

    1. Swallow Doretti
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      10-04-2012 10:54 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      I would also call the Fusion, Camry, Sonata, Optima, and Altima (is there a hybrid anymore?) competition. The Jetta is of a size and conservative sedan style it may also appeal to buyers of these cars. Pricing is also comparable.
      The Fusion is an expensive puppy, no matter how you slice it, though it's far nicer inside than the Jetta. The Optima and Sonata are definitely cheaper, but they're also crap, so that's a problem. The Camry is both good and inexpensive, plus there's also that pesky Prius, and both are bigger and more nicely appointed than the Jetta.

      The problem with the Jetta Hybrid is the fact that there's still a Jetta underneath it at pricing that mirrors better cars.

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      10-04-2012 11:01 AM #52
      I actually saw a Jetta Hybrid in a parking lot in downtown Toronto the other day. It looked just like a regular Jetta except it said Hybrid on the side.

      And that's all I have to add to this conversation.
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      10-04-2012 11:02 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by Swallow Doretti View Post
      The problem with the Jetta Hybrid is the fact that there's still a Jetta underneath it at pricing that mirrors better cars.
      I have nothing to back this up but the fact it is a Jetta works in favor of the hybrid.

      The general public I feel especially young females have a soft spot for the Jetta as a premium German car on a budget.
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      10-04-2012 11:06 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by ajd187 View Post
      Where is the diesel hybrid? Do the two technologies not combine well, or are they waiting on that?

      If there is no technical limitation, that seems to be the ultimate combination for fuel economy.
      They're out there. Just not here
      http://www.peugeot.com/en/products-s...t-3008-hybrid4

      Diesel hybrids do exist

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      10-04-2012 11:07 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by Swallow Doretti View Post
      The Fusion is an expensive puppy, no matter how you slice it, though it's far nicer inside than the Jetta. .
      Not only is it far nicer inside...it costs essentially the same as the Jetta Hybrid, so Im not sure why you think it is so expensive.

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      10-04-2012 11:26 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Swallow Doretti View Post
      , plus there's also that pesky Prius.
      And this is the issue. The Prius has better fuel economy and a stronger brand, and it costs the same. What reason do I have, as a prospective hybrid buyer, to go VW?
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      10-04-2012 11:30 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      And this is the issue. The Prius has better fuel economy and a stronger brand, and it costs the same. What reason do I have, as a prospective hybrid buyer, to go VW?
      not being associated as another PRIUS drive is good enough reason
      i dunno what it is, but here in SoCal i swear they are the worst drivers on the road

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      10-04-2012 11:31 AM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      And this is the issue. The Prius has better fuel economy and a stronger brand, and it costs the same. What reason do I have, as a prospective hybrid buyer, to go VW?
      The same reasons people choose a Jetta 2.5 SE over a Ford Focus, Chevy Cruze, Hyundai Elantra, etc..

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      10-04-2012 11:33 AM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      And this is the issue. The Prius has better fuel economy and a stronger brand, and it costs the same. What reason do I have, as a prospective hybrid buyer, to go VW?
      I can't imagine that VW could have managed to give the Jetta Hybrid worse driving dynamics than the Prius, so there's that.
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    10. 10-04-2012 11:34 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Odd question but how does a TDI handle hot humid weather in those regular conditions?

      Only ask because right now I'm in south Florida and OMFG it feels like I have a 300 lb lead weight in the car when accelerating from a stop with the AC on. Turbo engine suffers I guess in the humidity. I feel like these conditions would be perfect for a hybrid, especially the non-turbo gasoline engine versions provided they have a good stock battery cooling setup.
      vw's in general dont seem to handle florida weather well at all, cv joints cracking early, interior can't hold up to the heat. I do think a bigger intercooler would help on your gti though.

      Since the pricing was announced, was the Jetta Hybrid release already for sale? My friend saw one yesterday so I dont think it was a preproduction, but wouldnt be surprised if it was due to the testing facility nearby

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      10-04-2012 11:42 AM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      And this is the issue. The Prius has better fuel economy and a stronger brand, and it costs the same. What reason do I have, as a prospective hybrid buyer, to go VW?
      Because it looks like a normal car and drives like a normal car.

      It's no worse to drive than a Jetta 2.5 or TDI.

      There are people who are turned off by the look and drive of the Prius. VW isn't looking to nab the people who buy the Prius as an appliance.

      I think they'll get people who now aren't perspective hybrid drivers. Maybe they were considering a regular Jetta or TDI Jetta.

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      10-04-2012 11:43 AM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      And this is the issue. The Prius has better fuel economy and a stronger brand, and it costs the same. What reason do I have, as a prospective hybrid buyer, to go VW?
      For me: no center mounted gauges, no CVT, no suppository-esque styling (though the current one is reasonable.) But I'm not a normal person either.
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      10-04-2012 11:45 AM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by chris@revotechnik View Post
      45+ highway with a manual is possible without too much effort ...
      46.8 and 45.3 mpg in 2010 and 2011, respectively, with my JSW TDI for our annual 1,400-mile vacation trip to OBX. Two bikes and a weeks' worth of food and suitcases fit in the JSW.


      20.8, 21.5, and 22 mpg for the trip in 2007 -2009 with two bikes on the roof of my '03 A4 Avant 3.0q.

      Just returned home on Saturday night from the trip in my wife's Escape Limited Hybrid. 31.8 mpg with two bikes on a rear hitch bike rack. Not bad.

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      10-04-2012 11:45 AM #64
      Why are all the TDI fanbois mad and defensive?

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      10-04-2012 11:45 AM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Odd question but how does a TDI handle hot humid weather in those regular conditions?

      Only ask because right now I'm in south Florida and OMFG it feels like I have a 300 lb lead weight in the car when accelerating from a stop with the AC on. Turbo engine suffers I guess in the humidity. I feel like these conditions would be perfect for a hybrid, especially the non-turbo gasoline engine versions provided they have a good stock battery cooling setup.
      I never noticed a difference in my Passat up to almost 100*F. I've driven many TDI's in Death Valley and you do notice when it gets really hot, but that applies to any car.

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      10-04-2012 11:46 AM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by genjy View Post
      Why are all the TDI fanbois mad and defensive?
      Who is mad?

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      came here for transmission

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      10-04-2012 11:53 AM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      Who is mad?
      Nobody gets mad but some of us get a but doubtful when talk comes up about beating on a TDI all day and getting 45+ MPG or or easy super amazing fuel economy is. Because for some reason real life averages for thousands of owners on websites like fuelly don't match this expectation.
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      10-04-2012 12:02 PM #69
      It's kind of neat that VW is willing to offer us a big variety powerplants in the Jetta range, not so different than far more expensive cars from Mercedes for example. I think I'm a bit more of a fan of the diesel powered cars just based on the torque figures and availability of a manual transmission. But if I was seriously in the market for a car with good gas mileage, I'd have to at least give the hybrid a try. The DSG might change my impression of things quite a bit.

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      10-04-2012 12:02 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      Because it looks like a normal car and drives like a normal car.
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      So does the Prius. There are weirder-looking Audis. Kammback hatches have been on the market for decades, and this particular one has been around for over a decade. It's normal now.

      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      It's no worse to drive than a Jetta 2.5 or TDI.

      There are people who are turned off by the look and drive of the Prius. VW isn't looking to nab the people who buy the Prius as an appliance.

      I think they'll get people who now aren't perspective hybrid drivers. Maybe they were considering a regular Jetta or TDI Jetta.
      I frankly doubt those people were in the market for a hybrid to begin with, seeing as other "normal" looking and driving hybrids have struggled mightily in the marketplace. I don't think the Jetta offers anything that the tepid-selling Civic, Camry, Altima, and Accord hybrids don't or didn't, and my years on this site lead me to doubt mightily that VW fans are so interested in hybrids that a dedicated Jetta intender would be terribly tempted.

      Don't get me wrong, it'll meet its modest goals, but it's not really anything to make anybody sit up and notice.
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      10-04-2012 12:02 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Nobody gets mad but some of us get a but doubtful when talk comes up about beating on a TDI all day and getting 45+ MPG or or easy super amazing fuel economy is. Because for some reason real life averages for thousands of owners on websites like fuelly don't match this expectation.
      some truth in that.
      driving hard all day and getting 45mpg is not realistic, i agree.
      driving normal i get 45 easy. (have fuelly tracked every singlee fill up since day one, to back this up)

      but it is commonly agreed on that TDI's do exceed EPA estimates of 34MPG for current new TDI's
      according to Fuelly or fueleconomy.gov current TDI's most average around 40-43MPG,
      and thats 20%+ over EPA
      and this is the part that alot of people like to overlook.

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      10-04-2012 12:08 PM #72
      Overall, I'm all for more fuel efficient options on the market, no matter the powertrain.

      It will be interesting, however, to see how VW markets this since they've spent the last decade convincing their buyers that hybrids are lame and diesels are the best.

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      10-04-2012 12:08 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by romanl View Post
      according to Fuelly or fueleconomy.gov current TDI's most average around 40-43MPG,
      and thats 20%+ over EPA
      and this is the part that alot of people like to overlook.
      Uh, no they don't. Current TDIs' average reported fuel economy - incorporating all Fuelly TDI drivers regardless of driving habits - is below 40, and 43mpg is pretty far on the right side of the bell curve. Diesels beat EPA estimates when they're driven at constant high load, which the EPA test doesn't really cover. When they're driven in urban and suburban environments, they're right on target.

      If you regularly average 45mpg, you're in a small minority among Fuelly drivers. Forgive my skepticism, but I believe 45mpg claims for TDIs only when they involve fast highway cruising. Nothing personal, and I don't really mean to call you out in particular, but TDI drivers tend to overstate their results just a tad around here - so I'll cheerfully cop to some baggage about upper-quartile MPG claims.
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      10-04-2012 12:21 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      Uh, no they don't. Current TDIs' average is below 40.
      39 mpg is the average for the current Jetta TDI sedans. That's 15% over the EPA estimate.

      By comparison:

      2.5L Jetta owners average exactly what the EPA estimates.

      Toyota Prius owners average just below their EPA estimates

      Sonata Hybrid owners average 3 mpg less than EPA estimates.

      Previous Fusion Hybrid also owners average 2 mpg less.
      Last edited by Hajduk; 10-04-2012 at 12:24 PM.

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      10-04-2012 12:22 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      Uh, no they don't. Current TDIs' average reported fuel economy - incorporating all Fuelly TDI drivers regardless of driving habits - is below 40, and 43mpg is pretty far on the right side of the bell curve. Diesels beat EPA estimates when they're driven at constant high load, which the EPA test doesn't really cover. When they're driven in urban and suburban environments, they're right on target.
      If you regularly average 45mpg, you're in a small minority among Fuelly drivers. Forgive my skepticism, but I believe 45mpg claims for TDIs only when they involve fast highway cruising.
      2011 GOLF TDI (both DSG and MT) i grabbed 2011 year because it had most cars on FUELLY
      39-42 MPG has the highest number of cars


      and here are 4 cars diff years/models (2 auto 2 mt side by side) look at user ratings FAR FAR exceeding EPA


      and if im in a small minortiy % of TDI drivers or not, here are my last 25 fill ups.
      as you can see i dropped below 40 MPG only twice
      majority of my driving is between Long Beach to near Santa Monica in I405 traffic, 30 miles each way. about 1 hour every morning and 1 hour every afternoon,
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      94 9/27/12 584.1 13.80 42.3 4.339
      93 9/21/12 557.0 12.78 43.6 4.339
      92 8/27/12 518.4 11.88 43.6 4.359
      91 8/24/12 532.4 11.93 44.6 4.399
      90 8/21/12 577.8 12.72 45.4 4.299
      89 8/11/12 605.2 13.38 45.2 4.200
      88 7/29/12 551.1 11.91 46.3 3.979
      87 7/22/12 615.7 13.38 46.0 3.999
      86 7/19/12 701.3 14.22 49.3 3.939
      85 7/8/12 683.2 14.57 46.9 4.299
      84 7/6/12 564.8 13.08 43.2 3.999
      83 7/1/12 642.3 13.61 47.2 3.999
      82 6/30/12 573.7 12.60 45.5 3.779
      81 6/23/12 589.7 13.70 43.1 3.899
      80 6/16/12 555.1 13.19 42.1 3.899
      79 6/6/12 590.7 12.82 46.1 4.139
      78 5/20/12 600.8 14.08 42.7 4.179
      77 5/7/12 595.2 14.02 42.4 4.279
      76 4/27/12 553.1 13.70 40.4 4.279
      75 4/14/12 590.7 13.70 43.1 4.299
      74 4/1/12 623.9 13.02 47.9 4.539
      73 3/30/12 631.3 13.97 45.2 4.339
      72 3/8/12 560.5 13.84 40.5 4.399
      71 2/28/12 501.8 13.04 38.5 4.499
      70 2/13/12 512.8 12.89 39.8 4.159

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