Remember, this is all an answer to the statement that TDI owners can expect 45mpg combined. We can argue about the numbers all we want, but that statement wasn't accurate.
Last edited by Turbio!; 10-04-2012 at 12:54 PM.
The other question is how the Jetta drives. The Toyota Hybrids are excellent. The Ford Hybrids are even better. But some other companies (Nissan, Hyundai) have really stumbled with hybrids, and you would have thought they would have done better.
Also of note: the new Mazda 6 Hybrid will be at the same--or slightly lower--price point as well, and Toyota apparently helped in development.
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I have owned my TDI for 2 1/2 years with zero problems. Germany also designs and implements all the electrics and electronics in air buses. They seem to be just fine... YMMV.
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as i said before i welcome any new tech that further improves current vehicles and efficiency.
i prefer TDI over Hybrid, but day might come when that might change.
but im not sure about your statement in regards to fueleconomy numbers i posted, what exactly do you think people report on when posting their average MPGs,? do you think they are all making numbers up?
o and just to be clear, i went back to Fuelly same filter, and counted all cars.
MPG 39 and under total cars = 131
MPG 40 and over total cars = 151
so seems majority do average over 40,
whatever that average number is, i hope you agree that is far exceeds EPA claims , where hybrids / gas cars tend to just hit them or come in under, thats all i leave in peace
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I really don't see how VW is going to move many units of the Jetta Hybrid... If I read correctly, the customer has to order a model rather than driving it right off the lot. Next, at $24,000, what's to prevent someone from buying a Toyota Prius C, Honda CRZ, Toyota Prius 3rd gen. You will get at least 5 mpg better, and over the life of the car that adds up to a significant difference. Not to mention, I would trust a Honda/Toyota battery cell tech and powertrain much more than VW that is just now entering the Hybrid market.
I guess to a certain extent a battery is a battery and vw has the money for R&D. However, that will never beat the volume that Toyota has moved in the last ten years. This obviously gives them the upper-hand in terms of economies of scale, and just overall testing in the real world via its customers.
I tend to think of VW as the driving enthusiasts car, I don't see how this will attract the greenies when there are Toyotas getting better mileage at the same price. Now, if you go with the max spec'ed VW you can afford a Plug-in Toyota that will yield around 80+MPG. It's a tough sell, the only market I think there is to capture are the people that want a hybrid, but don't want to be stuck with the liberal douche-bag label of the stereotyped Prius owner. Just my $.02.
Prius has terrible driving dynamics. (Yes, I've driven one and hated it.)
Civic hybrid has little advantage in terms of economy and a big disadvantage in terms of performance (and price tag, and trunk space) compared to a plain ordinary Civic.
Camry current hybrid model seems to be selling OK considering the number that I see on the road. The current model vastly improves on the old one - which was unremarkable. Driving dynamics are typical Toyota ... dull as dishwater.
Hardly anyone knew the Altima hybrid existed.
The previous Accord hybrid was a high-performance hybrid - an answer to a question that nobody was asking. The same can be said for several Infiniti and Lexus hybrids. There is a new Accord hybrid just being introduced, but it's not in showrooms yet so it is too soon to see if it will sell.
The Hyundai doesn't appear to get sufficiently better real-world mileage than the plain-jane 4-cyl automatic to interest many people. (From fueleconomy.gov 33.3mpg versus 28.9mpg)
It obviously remains to be seen how VW will do with this. The two hybrids that are of interest to me, are the Jetta hybrid and the new Ford Fusion hybrid.