Scotch. It's time.
Originally Posted by Chockomon
I've been losing lots of keys lately
I don't know what that means but maybe
I'd be better of with things that can't be locked at all
From what I've seen Mexico isn't too bad for assembeling cars. For example the Chevy avalanche which is assembled purely in mexico used to be rated higher than any other of the GM trucks as far as build quality and reliability. The fusion also assembled in Mexico is rated very high as far as build quality and reliability too. So I think VW has more problems than where their cars are assembled.
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I welcome this news as good news. Why you ask?
Patrikman's right brain: sweet...they could build Sciroccos here and .....like sell them here....and stuff.
Patrikman's left brain: really? you would never pay that much for a wrong wheel drive coupe even if it does look that good.
I don't even own a Corrado and I know better to say something like that.
Don't see the problem either. The Mexico plant is modern and closer to US/Canada. Building a car with lower margins at a plant in Germany seems foolish. I wonder if they mean all Golf's will be built in Mexico? Or the first time German Golf will be sources from a place other than Germany.
Article doesn't make a lot of sense.
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The unreliable parts do have plenty to do with VW, since they were designed to VW's specs (regardless of whether similar parts failed in other cars). But it was the part unreliability, not the assembly quality in Mexico, Germany, or Brazil, that caused the unreliability.
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I honestly don't think it matters where the car was assembled... All the problems we've ever had with our VWs (2 Mexican, 2 Pennsylvanian, 5 German and 1 Slovakian) have dealt with ****ty parts, not the assembly.
Window regulators, lower control arms, coil packs, faulty AC compressors, etc. don't care what country they were bolted onto the car in...
Honestly... it boils down to people. And mainly leadership, because leadership guides, manages, decides the core values/goals/cultures... be it a relationship with a supplier or the development process or the MFG & ASM process.
And with that in mind... the site of MFR can have an impact when compared to another site, BUT... but only because of HOW the leadership decides to commonize OR differentiate the sites... willingly or unwillingly. While national cultures may have some differentiation... in my experience... workers in general want to do a good job and saboteurs are a great minority/fraction. If a specific MFG/ASM site does have a statistically problematic quality history... it can be root caused to the leadership and what they chose to do different than say a place that has a better history.
Those that hold the reigns guide the results for the most part. And this is common sense as most would probably agree.
These threads often only focus around the superficial issues/causes and not the underlying ones. That's why they can become so heated. It's like politics. Most politicians (and media, because their focus is ad revenue) focus the attention on what is right in front of the voter in order to drive emotion, because IMHO... emotion often times trump intellect in voter decision making.
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VW's decision (or any other profit-oriented company for that matter) is obviously financial... as it should be for them.
Given we believe people are the same the world over (in terms of having pride in their work and just wanting to do somethng well in order to make a good living), if VW (or any other) cannot mimic a good operation across the world... then clearly they are not doing it right.
Not doing it right can be everything from selecting bad leaders to head new facility to trying to penny-pinch in an emerging market, because they want to squeeze that market's perceived advantages of every once of profit possible... all the while ignoring how that can drive the workforce to not be able to achieve what their 'proven' processes are capable of.
Meanwhile, everyone is typing on their Chinese keybords using their Chinese mice and checking messages on their chinese made phones to find out what's for dinner which is being cooked with chinese appliances that are being put on chinese plates using chinese made utensiles being held up by chinese made tables and chairs and in the background, music is playing from a chinese made stereo and then turning it off using a chinese made remote then walking to the washroom and brushing their teeth with a chinese made toothbrush and snuggling in bed in their chinese made comforters.
...and then there are rich people.
Easy like Sunday Morning.
What's wrong with Connecticut?
Mexico and Brasil have been building VW's for over 20 years. What difference does it make that a mexican put it together? I'm sure the Mexican worker will do just as good a job.
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My Mk4 GTI from Brazil has had no reliability issues. I've had exactly one broken pcv hose and no other issues.
Quality control systems for the production lines should be very similar from plant to plant for the same vehicle. So the controls in Germany should be mirrored in Mexico, Brazil, etc. Most Mk4 issues do come from supplier parts and not from build quality issues. Working as a Quality Engineer, a large part of the PPAP process is confirming your controls and validating your production against the manufacturer's engineering standards. Assuming VW has done its due diligence and verified everything at the plant in Mexico, the cars rolling out of there should be no different than the ones coming from Germany.
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I believe all Jettas globally are assembled in Puebla? The listings I've seen show that it's made in Puebla, China, and India (as a Skoda). But I also read something else that said it was assembled as a CKD (completely knockdown kit) in everywhere but Puebla. If that's the case they are already building cars in Mexico and sending them to Europe.
Also, I think the Jetta Sportwagen/Golf Wagon are made exclusively in Puebla.