A car with the exact same mods as mine regularly generates 360-375 whp and 425+ lb-ft of torque. Do I have a dyno of my specific car? I do not. I can show you dozens of cars with the same mods, but you don't seem to care.
400hp/500lb-ft is a more than realistic and fair guesstimate of the power my car is making. That isn't even the point of this thread. I don't understand all of the negativity
Is it really worth arguing over semantics like this? The industry standard on cars is to quote crank hp. If this thread was legitimately about trying to specify the output of my car, you might have a point. I was just throwing out some estimates. You guys get so huffy about this stuff.
To many people, it is more "fun" to be able to go flat-out in something like a Miata or GTI, and really use all of the power and grip available, than it is to drive something like a M6 on the same road, where you might only be able to use 40% of the throttle, and would never even approach the limits of grip without ending up in jail or a ditch.
Yeah, my GTO was fast and that was fun on open roads and long sweepers, but it wasn't very fun to drive on narrower, more winding roads becuase you there is no room for the car to be pushed. My GTI has literally 1/2 the power and is much, much slower, but on a twisty, low-speed road, it's going to be more fun to drive becuase the limits of the car are lower, so I can really wring it out and get closer to the limits of the car.
That's probably why the most "fun" cars I have ever driven were a 116hp n/a miata that I could literally redline every gear save 5th in and not break a speed limit, and a base porsche 944 that was slower than a modern 4-cyl camry. Not fast, but very fun!
At the end of the day I agree that whp is the most accurate way to measure power output if you are trying to compare cars. But who gives a crap?
I daily drive a tuned N54, and I previously had a 1.8T. I just love the powerband and tuneability that turbo engines give you, and that rush of torque especially at low RPMs.
But still, in certain situations I do miss the throttle response and smoothness of a well designed NA engine. The N52 in the Z4 I co-own is super responsive and revs so smoothly. Sure it is down 150HP and 200ft/lbs on my 135, but on super tight back roads and in a lighter car it works very well. Daily driving and on more normal streets I like the 135 better though.
When you are talking modded vehicles, wheel horsepower is the standard.
When you are talking stock vehicles, crank horsepower is the standard.
This isn't arguable. If a shop out there engine dynos each one they build, that is a different story. I guess all those 1,000 whp GTR and Supra guys just got a free dick enlargement pill to the tune of 200 hp inflation when they are talking about their cars.
Awesome, my talon has 530hp now instead of 463!
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That I can't speak for. Maybe the people that are advocating slower cars just aren't good drivers. But saying slow cars are more then then fast cars just doesn't make any sense.
Would you rather drive a fast car on a backroad, or a slow car? I know I'd take the fast one every time.
The whole "slow car fast" argument generally comes from people who can't (or won't) afford a faster vehicle. It makes no damn sense.