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I honestly have to say that the size of the turbines on the N54 are very, very well matched for the engine. There is virtually no turbo lag that can spoil your experience on the street and on the track if you have your tuning sorted out.
When I am on the track and I row through the gears, full boost and torque are instantaneous if I romp on the gas pedal and are easily modulated if I go part throttle. Anything above 2500 rpms equates to no turbo lag and almost surgical precision.
The ONLY reason why I would even consider going back to a NA engine is if it is tuned, it has ITBs and an actual mechanical throttle cable.
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Christ, this was just awful.
On topic: My introduction to turbochargers was as a passenger in a modified 993 Turbo at the age of 13. I've been hooked ever since. For street use: turbocharging. For track use: Natural aspiration.
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Exactly, lets talk real world, not silly absolute number magazine tests. I've watched you bash the 335 repeatedly. In the real world, the 328 is a downright snore. I don't care that at the absolute limit it may handle or stop nearly imperceptibly better. I'll tell you one thing that will be quite perceptible however.... my tail lights disappearing into the horizon as you quote magazine numbers trying to make yourself feel better.
In the real world there's nothing like the loaner 328 while my car's getting an oil change to REALLY make me appreciate what the 335 has.
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my .02 on the topic
Went from a 348/356 wheel wrx to a stock s2000. I do miss the power occasionally but the s2k is an all around much more fun and rewarding car to drive, even in stock form.
I think once you get past the power hungry wanna beat the snot out of every car phase, you learn to enjoy more of what a car has to offer and what its full capabilities are. My wrx didn't do anything for me but get me into trouble and it wasn't ridiculously fast either. In the long run, its much more fun for me to drive a slower car on its edge than have to drive a faster car well within its limits.
Just for clarification and my geographical location, most of what I drive are pretty tight knit, twisty backroads 'n such.
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Come to think of it, the only turbo car I've ever driven is an 03 Passat 1.8T. Not exactly fast by any means but it was fun for a station wagon. I really dig the 16v cammed 2.0 I am driving behind now in the mk2 Jetta. I like that I can floor it from a standing start and all hell DOESNT break lose, as it did in my 02 Sentra SE-R. Torque steer in that car was brutal and the torque curve was very flat which was fun at first, but not very useable.
On the 16v there is a short "nothing much happening" phase to get up to about 2.5-3k RPM, but then it starts to take off and the torque just builds, and the building increases as it gets louder, the resonating drone switching over to a higher pitched revving as it nears the red line. Also really fun is just getting up to that 3k point in 2nd or 3rd gear, and just holding it there where it is still pretty quiet, for the right moment and when i push the pedal down getting instant acceleration and revs.
This had potential to be a good thread but ego's and stupidity got in the way as usual.
There are too many variables involved to place blanket statements on either side of the fence. If you do take sides, chances are you are just either young an inexperienced, or just closed minded.
To the OP, since you asked, I have extensive direct experience with a 335i and an S2000, and I drove the S2000 95% of the time when both were sitting in my driveway.
The 335i is obviously faster in a straight line, but it takes real world experience and more than just a simple thought of " oh I'll take the car with more power every time" attitude that is for simpletons. Drive the cars and you will see that all out power as the determining factor is for dummies. It's silly to think in such simple terms, back away from the internet.
Anyway, there are awesome engines on either side of the fence and one isn't necessarily "better" than the other. I guess with time comes seeing the big picture.
There are awesome and crappy engines on either side of the fence.
It is funny though hearing people clamor on about low end torque all the time, but after driving a Mazdaspeed 3 and a WRX, or a lot of other 4 cylinder turbocharged engines, I actually preferred the F20C in the S2000. Sure a torque surge is great down low, but running out of power at 6,000 is the trade off and it sucks. It's all a tradeoff for the most part.
And lol at the guy who said the S2000 is dog slow. If it is, any car with about 11 - 12 lbs per HP is slow, and cars with this power to weight trap about 100 MPH in the 1/4, which would put 99% of all cars driven on this forum "dog slow"...
ignorance is bliff, carry on.
EDIT: I will add that after a certain point, I don't agree that slower cars are more fun that faster ones all the time, it really depends. After about >16 lbs per HP I don't find the car can accelerate fast enough to keep me entertained.
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But the issue gets stickier and OP's question more legit when you compare the S to a similar car w/more HP. I'm an admitted VTEC junkie, and an aspiring S2K owner 'one of these days,' but after driving the 1M (for example) I'm really not sure which one is 'better' or 'more enjoyable on the street.'
I just read through 6 six pages of nonsense hoping for some decent discussion, wait where did I think I was...
Nevertheless... I will say this, in my limited experience, forced induction, particularly turbo cars, have been a blast to drive and relatively cheaper to own/acquire than a high revving, big motor alternative. That being said, if money was no option, I'm pretty sure that I could find a comparable N/A ride that could tickle my fancy. But then, I'd want to turbo it
Power is power... and I'll trade it for downforce any day.