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    Thread: MK4 R32 or MK7 Jetta

    1. Member Time for a GTI's Avatar
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      10-04-2012 07:55 PM #26
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      10-04-2012 08:02 PM #27
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      10-04-2012 08:04 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by mk3redstar View Post
      I'm finally taking the plunge and financing a car for the first time in my life. My terrible fear of commitment has kept me from buying anything that costs more than $1K. Now that I'm done with college and my student debt is all paid up I have the extra income to buy something nice. But I'm torn between these two options.


      Which would you buy and why?? I'm looking for practical advice such as cost of ownership, resale value, availability of parts and service; as well as an enthusiast point of view such as tuning, coolness factor and worth owning factor.

      Thanks!
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      10-04-2012 08:05 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Navydub View Post
      They came at the end of the MKIV run, so all of the problems had been well sorted out.
      Except for being completely different than the other MKIV golfs tell me more about how they are the same.

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      10-04-2012 08:30 PM #30
      Make a list of all your priorities in a car, test drive both, and decide what you could see yourself paying for for the next three to five years.



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    6. 10-04-2012 09:01 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by true story View Post
      Make a list of all your priorities in a car, test drive both, and decide what you could see yourself paying for for the next three to five years.



      VWoA does not offer any car in America, from the past to the present, that I would ever consider trading my R for.
      What makes the MK4 R32 that much better than a Golf R?

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      10-04-2012 09:10 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by horribleR View Post
      Except for being completely different than the other MKIV golfs tell me more about how they are the same.
      Tell me how they are different? 4motion? Old news in Europe, had been around since the beginning of the mk4 run. 3.2 24v? Other than the bump in displacement, it's really the same design as the 2.8 24v (head flows better, but same basic design/components). O2M 6 speed? Again, had been around for a bit... They run the same Bosch ME7 ECU, the same Climatronic, the same radio, etc., etc., the brakes are improved but are still floating caliper, basic design fare. So tell me, what is so different than all the mk4s? They're different than what was sold here, but not really too different from ROW offerings.

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      10-04-2012 10:56 PM #33
      I got a very nice R32 for about $15k just shy of a year ago. I was in a similar situation and I wanted a nice car to really drive the hell out of and enjoy. I have spent a few thousand over the past year in maintenance, tires, and a few problems (battery crapped out, CV boot ripped), but to me it has been worth all of it. I love driving it every day and I enjoy working on it.

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      10-04-2012 11:00 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by mk3redstar View Post
      Plus being a sedan it might be more useful later in life.
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      10-04-2012 11:05 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by mk3redstar View Post
      That's for when I can actually afford it, when I finish Law School. I need something to get me through those years for now.
      In school? Stay way from the Mk4 R32.

      They are old enough to where they will break down and will be expensive to fix.
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      10-04-2012 11:15 PM #36
      What's going on in here ...
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      10-04-2012 11:55 PM #37
      Finished school, debt free and want to reward your self w a nice car to drive? I can understand that. You worked hard and want to enjoy life a little bit.
      So why mk6 Jetta? I dont see any enjoyment or fun in that? Its basicly same as buying Camry/Fusion/Prius/Accord etc. Appliance.

      Comparing Mk4 to Mk5 R32 would be more like it, or even mk5/mk6 GTI. I would seriously consider those instead of mk6 Jetta(unless you are talking about GLI).

      Mk4 R32 is already 8yrs old and WILL require more fixing. Doesnt have to be a bad car, but the years and milage is catching up w them.
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      10-05-2012 12:40 AM #38
      This may get a bit long but, if you want the thorough opinion of another long term R32 owner, here you go.

      I bought mine new in May of '04, have about 72k miles on mine, and it's my daily driver. I've never owned another car anywhere near as long. The reason I still have it is due to the satisfaction it gives me. It isn't the best at anything but, it does so many things exceptionally well. And it has never let me down.

      I would likely be very cautious about buying one used but, there are a lot of owners out there who take very good care of theirs so, if you have the time and patience, you could find a fine example. You'd be hard pressed to find one up to snuff for under 15k though. Based on my personal experience and years of being on that particular forum I would say they are pretty reliable. If treated and maintained well, they do not have many catastrophic failures. There are some of the annoyances had in some other models but, to me, they seem fairly routine with nearly any car. Sunroof leaks (which can be remedied), cooling fan failures seem to be normal, a few recall items which should have all been addressed by this point. I'm on my third battery. I had the fan replaced early this year. I had to replace the rubber gasket around the antenna base in year six. Front strut mounts seem to wear out/collapse with more frequency than you might expect. That's really about the extent of the troubles I've had but, it brings me to the next subject.

      As time passes and, if you spend much time browsing the R32 forum, you will soon get the nearly irresistable urge to start spending silly sums of money modifying the car. Maybe this happens with other makes and models too so, it could just be a coincidence that this is the first car with which I've done this. Now some of what you do may be considered preventive maintenance or, just replacing wear and tear items before they fail so, some of it could be considered justifiable. I'm only being partially sarcastic with this. For example, I replaced my strut mounts with camber plates. Ther are certainly many advantages to the plates and they are certainly an upgrade/mod compared to stock parts. And since putting them in I no longer need to worry about the bushings collapsing, alignments are far more simple to get exact and they stay consistent over the long haul which eliminates the need to get realigned regularly, in addition to making tires last a bit longer. This principle applies to most of what I've done so, I don't feel like it's been unjustifiable.

      Then again, almost none of it could be considered necessary. There are many who have enjoyed theirs completely bone stock for 100k plus miles. So if you can resist the urges, cost of ownership should be relatively low. There is some regular maintenance which is a bit more expensive and sensitive than with other VW's, such as the Haldex as mentioned earlier but, it's not a big deal, especially if you diy.

      I've contemplated a new car a couple times in the past few years but, I just can't find anything that gives me the pleasure I get from driving this car every day. I've test driven plenty of others and have found them interesting, or even better in some ways. But nothing yet has given me good reason to stop owning this car. Now that I can afford something a bit more upscale, I thought I'd be able to find a worthy replacement. I really have no need, or space for two vehicles. And I just can't imagine myself not owning this car so, I'm sticking with it. Sometimes I wish it was quieter, faster, rode better, got better mileage, was more luxurious and high tech, etc. On the other hand, it's reasonably quick, handles pretty darn good, is quite comfortable, traction in all weather conditions is exceptional, is spacious enough, is reliable, has an intoxicating exhaust note, and gets compliments all the time from people who have no idea what it is or have never even seen one. And most important of all, it makes me happy to own it. There have been quite a few other original owners who sold theirs due to the urge to move on and, later on, missed it so much they decided they had to have another.

      If you haven't driven one, I strongly suggest it. If you have and weren't stricken with desire then, nevermind.

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      10-05-2012 01:07 AM #39
      Neither. Get a mk6 GTI. It's the awesome MkV with better sheet metal and excellent tunability. The bugs are more or less all worked out. An ECU upgrade and exhaust will get you 250 hp / 280 ft/lbs.

      And the interior is much nicer than the Mk4, and nicer than the mk6 Jetta's by leaps and bounds. A mk6 GLI would get you all this too, but no launch control :/
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      10-05-2012 01:17 AM #40
      Have you checked out the 09 Camry?

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      10-05-2012 01:28 AM #41
      My mkv R32 has been far more problem free (read: none) than my mkv gti.

      Those are two totally different cars though. Do you want decent mileage? How much do you want to pay for insurance? Do you want a warranty?

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      10-05-2012 01:35 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by TM87 View Post
      Finished school, debt free and want to reward your self w a nice car to drive? I can understand that. You worked hard and want to enjoy life a little bit.
      So why mk6 Jetta? I dont see any enjoyment or fun in that? Its basicly same as buying Camry/Fusion/Prius/Accord etc. Appliance.
      Yeah, that's what I thought. I never understood why people around here think of run of the mill Volkswagen models as sporty cars. OP, get yourself a used 3 series with the sport package. They're all over the place and you'll be much happier.


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      10-05-2012 08:31 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by thebanker View Post
      Neither. Get a mk6 GTI. It's the awesome MkV with better sheet metal and excellent tunability. The bugs are more or less all worked out. An ECU upgrade and exhaust will get you 250 hp / 280 ft/lbs.

      And the interior is much nicer than the Mk4, and nicer than the mk6 Jetta's by leaps and bounds. A mk6 GLI would get you all this too, but no launch control :/
      This.

      Mk6 GTI is the way to go if you dont need AWD.

      I second the comment about the interior.

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      10-05-2012 08:32 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by r_fostoria View Post
      Yeah, that's what I thought. I never understood why people around here think of run of the mill Volkswagen models as sporty cars. OP, get yourself a used 3 series with the sport package. They're all over the place and you'll be much happier.
      Testify!

      I suggested something similar on the 1st page but apparently you have to pass the Bar before you can afford a used 3 series.

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