Then there are the obvious trolls like our recently returned friend from Montreal, who loved his Saab so much that he sold it in order to move to a Jetta, which is a premium vehicle in his mind, but in its most recent generation was cost cut to shreds.
In other words - VW good, everyone else bad.
I agree with VR in saying the Touareg is a "better" (NOT MORE RELIABLE) car than the "jacked up Camry" however I think almost everyone would universally agree that the RX has a greater image of "Luxury" associated with it than the Touareg. I have had a lot of experience with both cars, and I think the Touareg has more of a premium "feel" if that makes any sense... but I sure as hell am never going to buy one!
And in Canada, in terms of perceived Luxury, Lexus trumps VW by a LONGSHOT. Im 100% sure this is the case in the states as well. Lexus is arguably the only Japanese dedicated luxury brand that is up there with the Germans. Im sure people cross shop their S class with an LS, or at least consider it.
ILX still sucks :p
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Since when has VW become premium brand?
As for the ILX, I can see why some "young professionals" may show interest as it offers afforable entry level luxury (including Acura brand name). I'm sure it's pretty slow in automatic, but their target buyers probably don't care. 6MT is intreguing though as it reminds me of the first gen 6MT TSX, but some people say TSX drives sportier. Anyways, the sales number of ILX is probably hurt because of its own competitor, TSX.
"Smart luxury" = fake luxury.
Like I said I gave up on Acura being inspiring years ago when they failed to offer the 2.4T in anything exciting, failed to keep the RSX alive, failed to do anything meaningful to the Acura RL, and failed the beak design which still to this day was only duct taped to be bearable and not fixed.
Style is subjective. Interior quality is less so. I think you should look at the modern crop of Acuras, compare them to their Japanese competition, and then to their German aspirants. I think it'll be obvious that they are ahead of Lexus and Infiniti, and in the mix with Ze Germans. In terms of storage and ergos I think they are probably the best.
As far as winning racing heritage...when I look at Acuras, I see Honda. And when I see Honda, I see F1, CART, MotoGP. I'm not going to make an argument for one company's motorsport accomplishments over another (not in this thread) but Honda is up there.
IMO, Acura's interiors are better laid-out than almost any other. The ease of use of their infotainment stuff is right up there in the top 3 or 4 (BMW, Infiniti being 2 others). If I hadn't spent time in the newer stuff (i.e. 2009+) I would agree with you.Originally Posted by Idiot S'Avant
To me it's 'logical luxury cars that don't cost an arm and a leg to own.Originally Posted by Idiot S'Avant
Long-term durability is another matter entirely, but there is a solidity and composure in the VW that the Lexus doesn't have, and that certainly makes it 'feel' nicer.
Funny you should mention that. The 2007 MDX SH-AWD was pitted against the six-cylinder versions of the X5, ML, and Cayenne when it first came out, and it trounced all of them. I'll see if I can dig up that test.Originally Posted by charlie84
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IMO, the only reason to skip Acura entirely in a luxury-car search is if you must have a V8 or RWD. Or if you are looking for something in the M/AMG/RS range. Otherwise, they probably have a more logical alternative to the thing you're dreaming about, and it won't kill you on depreciation/maintenance.
Man...sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived. - Tenzin Gyatso
You see, some platforms work well for badge-engineering into a more expensive car. A Civic is not one of them.
And we can certainly play the "new model beats the aging competition" game: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...ura-mdx-page-7
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The 2007+ is a world-class SUV and is probably the sportiest mid-sizer not wearing an AMG/M/Porsche S badge. There is a real argument to be made that SH-AWD is superior to quattro in both wet and dry, and it's certainly better than xDrive or 4MATIC.
I've driven a lot of crossover SUVs including some 550 MBs and the Cayenne S, and the '07 MDX still stands out. Night and day vs. the 01-06. Think of the jump from the 2nd-gen TL to the 3rd-gen Type-S and that's the kind of leap it took.
The next one should be pretty impressive. I'm expecting a 9AT and some kind of next-gen AWD, either hybrid or otherwise.
I don't know how feasible such a thing would even be, but it would sure change the Acura brand's like of mojo/an image.
That was supposed to be the plan! Damn you, Ito...
They're coming around. The company seems lost right now but that's the time lag in effect. They've been rocked by the outcry about the Civic and made some serious internal changes in response, and they know they bet wrong about performance cars when they saw the GTR succeed.
The 9AT is pretty crazy news at least IMO, and they have already apparently produced the best current CVT. So I have high hopes for the DCT in the new NSX.
The new RLX is supposed to get something like 25 city MPG in a car bigger and faster than the current RL. Things are looking up.