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    Thread: ILX sales are below Acura projections

    1. 10-06-2012 08:31 PM #176
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      I had a feeling you were talking about the 1st-gen, which was competent and represented good value for the money but was relatively forgettable.

      The 2007+ is a world-class SUV and is probably the sportiest mid-sizer not wearing an AMG/M/Porsche S badge. There is a real argument to be made that SH-AWD is superior to quattro in both wet and dry, and it's certainly better than xDrive or 4MATIC.

      I've driven a lot of crossover SUVs including some 550 MBs and the Cayenne S, and the '07 MDX still stands out. Night and day vs. the 01-06. Think of the jump from the 2nd-gen TL to the 3rd-gen Type-S and that's the kind of leap it took.

      The next one should be pretty impressive. I'm expecting a 9AT and some kind of next-gen AWD, either hybrid or otherwise.
      I think 9AT will only be paired with gas only RLX and sport hyrbid-AWD will get NSX's 7sp DCT.

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      10-06-2012 08:31 PM #177
      Quote Originally Posted by above8k View Post
      I think 9AT will only be paired with gas only RLX and sport hyrbid-AWD will get NSX's 7sp DCT.


      Was just going to amend my post w/that.

    3. 10-06-2012 10:08 PM #178
      Rumour is that in 2014 the TSX and TL will merge into one model,the TLX,which will also be the Chineese Honda Spirior,Japaneese Accotd,and global Accord Euro for Australia,New Zealand,South Africa,etc

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      10-07-2012 02:05 PM #179
      I think folks around here get passionate about Acura's lack of mojo because they know how good Honda can be when it wants to. When Honda was building awesome stuff, it was more forgivable that Acuras were just Hondas + leather and plastic wood trim. But that's not enough anymore and Honda/Acura really hasn't grown with the rest of the industry.

      "Smart luxury" is a recipe to continue this malaise. Hence, the Civic-based ILX.
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    5. 10-12-2012 05:52 PM #180
      How successful were the CSX and before that, the EL, in Canada?
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      10-12-2012 05:56 PM #181
      Quote Originally Posted by Benkennedy11 View Post
      How successful were the CSX and before that, the EL, in Canada?
      Moderate success. In some ways many of the years they were better looking than the same-year Civic, or better trimmed, so I can see the appeal in that. Really it was just a different way to sell an uptrim Civic, which has been the best selling (non-truck, non-van) car in Canada for more years than not. They certainly never clogged up Canadian roads, and Canadians as a whole are more likely to buy premium small cars than Americans.

      Speaking of which, I don't think I've seen an ILX here in Canada outside of the dealer lot.

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      10-12-2012 05:57 PM #182
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Infiniti is selling a **** ton of those right now. It is a huge success for them.

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      10-12-2012 06:00 PM #183
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      You don't appear to know what "rebadged" means.
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      10-12-2012 06:09 PM #184
      I think this is mostly a marketing thing. I haven't seen a single ad for the ILX and I didn't even know they were out until someone suggested them when I made threads about my mom looking at a Verano. With the Verano, which is selling well from what I understand, it is on TV all the time and even has Peyton Manning doing stuff in it.

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      10-12-2012 06:22 PM #185
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      Do you see Toyota selling a rebadged Corolla as a Lexus? Then what makes Honda think this car will sell 40k units a year. They could accomplish that sales figure for the car if it was a Civic like it should be, and they got rid of the embarrassment that is the "new" Civic.
      Actually, the HS250h or whatever was essentially a hybrid Corolla (or a Prius sedan if you prefer) sold as a Lexus. It's dead now

      The idea that a successful Acura can't be based on a Civic is silly, as proved by the Integra's success.

      We know why they decided to get rid of the Integra/RSX, but obviously that was a mistake. The question is whether this ILX will eventually be good enough to rectify that mistake.

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      10-12-2012 06:24 PM #186
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      The HS was based off the Auris.
      I must have read wrong

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      10-12-2012 06:33 PM #187
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      As far as the Integra, its popularity was due to its driving dynamics. I guess, no idea really, all I know is one guy had a coupe in HS that was automatic, looked okay, but kind of acted like it was the best car there. In Germany of all places.
      Dynamics, reliability, TCO, looks, interior. It was an awesome car.

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      10-12-2012 06:34 PM #188
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post

      The idea that a successful Acura can't be based on a Civic is silly, as proved by the Integra's success.

      We know why they decided to get rid of the Integra/RSX, but obviously that was a mistake. The question is whether this ILX will eventually be good enough to rectify that mistake.
      Recognition that:

      )Killing the "Legend"
      )Dropping the Integra/RSX line

      were bad moves, and that after finally finding another successful formula,

      )Uglifying the TL

      was a further bad idea would go a long way to fixing the direction of the company.

      The ILX is probably the best looking Acura right now, but the value proposition isn't there. I would hope it's a starting point to build it into a proper Integra line replacement, coupe/hatch and sedan, but with the recent track record I'm not sure they'll go more than one generation without changing the formula again.

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      10-12-2012 08:04 PM #189
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      Do you see Toyota selling a rebadged Corolla as a Lexus?
      They could. After all, Lexus sells a ton of jazzed-up Camrys.

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      10-12-2012 08:11 PM #190
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      So the ILX is a rebadge but the JX isn't? Tell me more..
      Considering I never said the ILX was a rebadge, why should I? Nothing more needs to be said than "you don't know what 'rebadged' means".
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      10-12-2012 08:14 PM #191
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      10-12-2012 10:22 PM #192
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Funny how this thread is full of comments on the ILX being a rebadged Civic, yet you chose to single out my comment as the ignorant one.
      Actually, you'll observe that I was also mocking the people insinuating Volkswagen was on a higher echelon than the rest of the mainstream manufacturers.

      Yours was just the latest misguided comment I happened across.
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      10-12-2012 11:22 PM #193
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      And? VW's feel more substantial, ride more fluidly, and age more gracefully than other mainstream makes. Plus it's the only brand in its class that is German.
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      10-12-2012 11:28 PM #194
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      And? VW's feel more substantial, ride more fluidly, and age more gracefully than other mainstream makes. Plus it's the only brand in its class that is German.
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      10-12-2012 11:44 PM #195
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      And? VW's feel more substantial, ride more fluidly, and age more gracefully than other mainstream makes. Plus it's the only brand in its class that is German.

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      10-12-2012 11:45 PM #196
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    22. 10-12-2012 11:45 PM #197
      When Acura comes it without something that has the swag this had back in 1989-1990 ,it will sell. While this was just an FWD semi pocket rocket hatch it just had a nice look that set it apart.

    23. 10-12-2012 11:48 PM #198
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      I guess, I have no experience with any Hondas. Parents almost bought an Accord in the early 90's, but the dealer wouldn't budge on the price, so they went with a year old used Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme coupe. The Accord they were trying to buy was a year old used Accord too.
      Remember in those days Honda was the car that sells itself

    24. 10-12-2012 11:52 PM #199
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      The 2007+ is a world-class SUV and is probably the sportiest mid-sizer not wearing an AMG/M/Porsche S badge. There is a real argument to be made that SH-AWD is superior to quattro in both wet and dry, and it's certainly better than xDrive or 4MATIC.

      I've driven a lot of crossover SUVs including some 550 MBs and the Cayenne S, and the '07 MDX still stands out. Night and day vs. the 01-06. Think of the jump from the 2nd-gen TL to the 3rd-gen Type-S and that's the kind of leap it took.

      The next one should be pretty impressive. I'm expecting a 9AT and some kind of next-gen AWD, either hybrid or otherwise.
      I will say I didnt really like the mdx when in debuted, but it has grown on me. Though from the firs time i drove one back in 2007 the interior wow'ed me AS I thought it would feel like a gussied up Honda like the 1st gen did. The gauges are very nice dash lighting looks very upscale. Only thing I think could look better are the interior door handles and i wish the doors had a little more heft to them(minor gripe).

      I don't get how acura can do good on the mdx yet fudge up a base model offering something it did so well in the past

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      10-13-2012 01:24 AM #200
      Quote Originally Posted by above8k View Post
      Phateon was a def a fake luxury vehicle. No wonder why sales tanked instantly.
      Using this logic, Acura RL is also a fake luxury vehicle too... (btw, I am not taking VW side) I hate both cars. Phaeton is a ****ing expensive car with a ****ing cheap badge. Acura RL is a $70kCAD car look like a car worth only $45kCAD.
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      10-13-2012 06:33 AM #201
      Quote Originally Posted by Impeccable View Post
      When Acura comes it without something that has the swag this had back in 1989-1990 ,it will sell. While this was just an FWD semi pocket rocket hatch it just had a nice look that set it apart.
      I love Hondas of that era, but what we forget is that almost everything rose then sucked horribly so a good to great Honda could easily seem so profound. Today the competition have caught up. It's not that the ILX is a bad car, but since others are on par or slightly better... the historic superiority seems like a let down.

      I believe cars have matured to a level of refinement that will be impractical to improve significantly upon, which makes the former Honda reign of that era impossible. Furthermore back then Honda had a unique, albeit simple design language while so many of its competition's language was dislexic (sp?). Today its competition have brought serious game in terms of styling while Honda is the one confused.

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      10-13-2012 11:35 AM #202
      Quote Originally Posted by Impeccable View Post
      When Acura comes it without something that has the swag this had back in 1989-1990 ,it will sell. While this was just an FWD semi pocket rocket hatch it just had a nice look that set it apart.
      This car single handedly destroyed Acura's image as an upmarket brand.

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      10-13-2012 12:24 PM #203
      Quote Originally Posted by baljet View Post
      This car single handedly destroyed Acura's image as an upmarket brand.


      You're kidding, right? That car helped kick off Acura brand.

      The problem is Acura could not communicate or decide what it actually wanted to be - ENTRY LEVEL LUXURY or LUXURY. And in the presence of Lexus' and Infinti's LUXURY intent... the ENTRY LUX that Acura was using failed in the midst of a booming 90s.

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      10-13-2012 12:45 PM #204
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      And? VW's feel more substantial, ride more fluidly, and age more gracefully than other mainstream makes. Plus it's the only brand in its class that is German.


      Someone please use this quote as a signature.

    30. 10-13-2012 12:50 PM #205
      I've said it before and i'll say it again, the ILX is a very, very nice little vehicle, it's just $5K too much.

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      10-13-2012 12:51 PM #206
      This thread should be renamed "Fan Boi debate 2012"
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      10-13-2012 01:41 PM #207
      Quote Originally Posted by uncleho View Post


      You're kidding, right? That car helped kick off Acura brand.

      The problem is Acura could not communicate or decide what it actually wanted to be - ENTRY LEVEL LUXURY or LUXURY. And in the presence of Lexus' and Infinti's LUXURY intent... the ENTRY LUX that Acura was using failed in the midst of a booming 90s.
      The Integra was too low end and projected the wrong image. It should have been a Honda and Acuras should have remained true to the 2nd gen Legend and Legend coupe.

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      10-13-2012 02:01 PM #208
      Quote Originally Posted by baljet View Post
      The Integra was too low end and projected the wrong image. It should have been a Honda and Acuras should have remained true to the 2nd gen Legend and Legend coupe.
      I always thought the Integra should have been a Honda and the Prelude should have been an Acura.

      That said, the Integra didn't hurt Acuras image one bit. It brought a lot of people over to the brand. Acura was the number 1 selling luxo brand in the states at one point.

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      10-13-2012 02:06 PM #209
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