ILX sales are below Acura projections

[vrsexxy_GTI]

europe? Who cares?

When it comes to ownership, americans knows better whats luxury or better car for money.
Unfortunately, phaeton was neither.

hahahahaha

[Ross1013]

Ah. We had the 2006 (I think), when it was still just a Honda Odyssey on stilts. It could not have been less interesting if it tried.

I had a feeling you were talking about the 1st-gen, which was competent and represented good value for the money but was relatively forgettable.

The 2007+ is a world-class SUV and is probably the sportiest mid-sizer not wearing an AMG/M/Porsche S badge. There is a real argument to be made that SH-AWD is superior to quattro in both wet and dry, and it's certainly better than xDrive or 4MATIC.

I've driven a lot of crossover SUVs including some 550 MBs and the Cayenne S, and the '07 MDX still stands out. Night and day vs. the 01-06. Think of the jump from the 2nd-gen TL to the 3rd-gen Type-S and that's the kind of leap it took.

The next one should be pretty impressive. I'm expecting a 9AT and some kind of next-gen AWD, either hybrid or otherwise.

[Charlie84]

The next one should be pretty impressive. I'm expecting a 9AT and some kind of next-gen AWD, either hybrid or otherwise.

If I were Honda, I'd make Acura into the world's bleeding-edge technology car brand. All hybrid drivetrains, composite body panels, LED headlights, SH-AWD and crazy transmissions. Basically, make it as Japanese as possible and make that a good thing. People expect high-end luxury cars to be more temperamental anyway, so they could use it as a test bed for technologies before they trickle down to regular Hondas.

I don't know how feasible such a thing would even be, but it would sure change the Acura brand's like of mojo/an image.

[Ross1013]

That was supposed to be the plan! Damn you, Ito...

They're coming around. The company seems lost right now but that's the time lag in effect. They've been rocked by the outcry about the Civic and made some serious internal changes in response, and they know they bet wrong about performance cars when they saw the GTR succeed.

The 9AT is pretty crazy news at least IMO, and they have already apparently produced the best current CVT. So I have high hopes for the DCT in the new NSX.

The new RLX is supposed to get something like 25 city MPG in a car bigger and faster than the current RL. Things are looking up.

[above8k]

I had a feeling you were talking about the 1st-gen, which was competent and represented good value for the money but was relatively forgettable.

The 2007+ is a world-class SUV and is probably the sportiest mid-sizer not wearing an AMG/M/Porsche S badge. There is a real argument to be made that SH-AWD is superior to quattro in both wet and dry, and it's certainly better than xDrive or 4MATIC.

I've driven a lot of crossover SUVs including some 550 MBs and the Cayenne S, and the '07 MDX still stands out. Night and day vs. the 01-06. Think of the jump from the 2nd-gen TL to the 3rd-gen Type-S and that's the kind of leap it took.

The next one should be pretty impressive. I'm expecting a 9AT and some kind of next-gen AWD, either hybrid or otherwise.

I think 9AT will only be paired with gas only RLX and sport hyrbid-AWD will get NSX's 7sp DCT.

[Ross1013]

I think 9AT will only be paired with gas only RLX and sport hyrbid-AWD will get NSX's 7sp DCT.

Was just going to amend my post w/that.

[anthonymindel]

Rumour is that in 2014 the TSX and TL will merge into one model,the TLX,which will also be the Chineese Honda Spirior,Japaneese Accotd,and global Accord Euro for Australia,New Zealand,South Africa,etc

[Charlie84]

I think folks around here get passionate about Acura's lack of mojo because they know how good Honda can be when it wants to. When Honda was building awesome stuff, it was more forgivable that Acuras were just Hondas + leather and plastic wood trim. But that's not enough anymore and Honda/Acura really hasn't grown with the rest of the industry.

"Smart luxury" is a recipe to continue this malaise. Hence, the Civic-based ILX.

[NoXenons]

Shouldn't you compare the touareg with a land cruiser and in that case the reputation of the land cruiser wins out

Land Cruiser is only more expensive. Touareg is faster, more efficient, has much better styling, a more modern platform, better build-quality, and equal capability off-road.

[NoXenons]

Do you work for AcuraAnd what FWD rebadged nissan is that, the I series was bandoned long ago

[Benkennedy11]

How successful were the CSX and before that, the EL, in Canada?

[Mike!]

How successful were the CSX and before that, the EL, in Canada?

Moderate success. In some ways many of the years they were better looking than the same-year Civic, or better trimmed, so I can see the appeal in that. Really it was just a different way to sell an uptrim Civic, which has been the best selling (non-truck, non-van) car in Canada for more years than not. They certainly never clogged up Canadian roads, and Canadians as a whole are more likely to buy premium small cars than Americans.

Speaking of which, I don't think I've seen an ILX here in Canada outside of the dealer lot.

[rynodyno312]

Infiniti is selling a **** ton of those right now. It is a huge success for them.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/11/t...les-explained/

[VarianceVQ]

You don't appear to know what "rebadged" means.

[HaterSlayer]

I think this is mostly a marketing thing. I haven't seen a single ad for the ILX and I didn't even know they were out until someone suggested them when I made threads about my mom looking at a Verano. With the Verano, which is selling well from what I understand, it is on TV all the time and even has Peyton Manning doing stuff in it.

[Ross1013]

Do you see Toyota selling a rebadged Corolla as a Lexus? Then what makes Honda think this car will sell 40k units a year. They could accomplish that sales figure for the car if it was a Civic like it should be, and they got rid of the embarrassment that is the "new" Civic.

Actually, the HS250h or whatever was essentially a hybrid Corolla (or a Prius sedan if you prefer) sold as a Lexus. It's dead now

The idea that a successful Acura can't be based on a Civic is silly, as proved by the Integra's success.

We know why they decided to get rid of the Integra/RSX, but obviously that was a mistake. The question is whether this ILX will eventually be good enough to rectify that mistake.

[Ross1013]

The HS was based off the Auris.

I must have read wrong

[Ross1013]

As far as the Integra, its popularity was due to its driving dynamics. I guess, no idea really, all I know is one guy had a coupe in HS that was automatic, looked okay, but kind of acted like it was the best car there. In Germany of all places.

Dynamics, reliability, TCO, looks, interior. It was an awesome car.

[Mike!]

The idea that a successful Acura can't be based on a Civic is silly, as proved by the Integra's success.

We know why they decided to get rid of the Integra/RSX, but obviously that was a mistake. The question is whether this ILX will eventually be good enough to rectify that mistake.

Recognition that:

)Killing the "Legend"
)Dropping the Integra/RSX line

were bad moves, and that after finally finding another successful formula,

)Uglifying the TL

was a further bad idea would go a long way to fixing the direction of the company.

The ILX is probably the best looking Acura right now, but the value proposition isn't there. I would hope it's a starting point to build it into a proper Integra line replacement, coupe/hatch and sedan, but with the recent track record I'm not sure they'll go more than one generation without changing the formula again.

[NoXenons]

You don't appear to know what "rebadged" means.

So the ILX is a rebadge but the JX isn't? Tell me more..

Infiniti is selling a **** ton of those right now. It is a huge success for them.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/11/t...les-explained/

I know that, which is my I said:

Maybe if they want to impress kids on TCL who might buy their cars used in 5 years. Otherwise Infiniti is the example not to follow. Acura has outsold Infiniti every month this year. They are doing fire leases on G37's and the one rebadged FWD Nissan they sell has been a huge success.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/02/s...malcy-edition/

[Hajduk]

Do you see Toyota selling a rebadged Corolla as a Lexus?

They could. After all, Lexus sells a ton of jazzed-up Camrys.

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[VarianceVQ]

So the ILX is a rebadge but the JX isn't? Tell me more..

Considering I never said the ILX was a rebadge, why should I? Nothing more needs to be said than "you don't know what 'rebadged' means".

[jrmcm]

better build-quality, and equal capability off-road.

Easy, cowboy

[NoXenons]

Considering I never said the ILX was a rebadge, why should I? Nothing more needs to be said than "you don't know what 'rebadged' means".

Funny how this thread is full of comments on the ILX being a rebadged Civic, yet you chose to single out my comment as the ignorant one.

[VarianceVQ]

Funny how this thread is full of comments on the ILX being a rebadged Civic, yet you chose to single out my comment as the ignorant one.

Actually, you'll observe that I was also mocking the people insinuating Volkswagen was on a higher echelon than the rest of the mainstream manufacturers.

Yours was just the latest misguided comment I happened across.

[NoXenons]

Actually, you'll observe that I was also mocking the people insinuating Volkswagen was on a higher echelon than the rest of the mainstream manufacturers.

And? VW's feel more substantial, ride more fluidly, and age more gracefully than other mainstream makes. Plus it's the only brand in its class that is German.

[P-Body]

And? VW's feel more substantial, ride more fluidly, and age more gracefully than other mainstream makes. Plus it's the only brand in its class that is German.

[Mazda 3s]

And? VW's feel more substantial, ride more fluidly, and age more gracefully than other mainstream makes. Plus it's the only brand in its class that is German.

[curvedinfinity]

And? VW's feel more substantial, ride more fluidly, and age more gracefully than other mainstream makes. Plus it's the only brand in its class that is German.

Please

[03GTI4Me]

I'm so glad to see there is a gif of this already

Needs an 'oh snap' or something.

[Impeccable]

When Acura comes it without something that has the swag this had back in 1989-1990 ,it will sell. While this was just an FWD semi pocket rocket hatch it just had a nice look that set it apart.

[Impeccable]

I guess, I have no experience with any Hondas. Parents almost bought an Accord in the early 90's, but the dealer wouldn't budge on the price, so they went with a year old used Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme coupe. The Accord they were trying to buy was a year old used Accord too.

Remember in those days Honda was the car that sells itself

[Impeccable]

The 2007+ is a world-class SUV and is probably the sportiest mid-sizer not wearing an AMG/M/Porsche S badge. There is a real argument to be made that SH-AWD is superior to quattro in both wet and dry, and it's certainly better than xDrive or 4MATIC.

I've driven a lot of crossover SUVs including some 550 MBs and the Cayenne S, and the '07 MDX still stands out. Night and day vs. the 01-06. Think of the jump from the 2nd-gen TL to the 3rd-gen Type-S and that's the kind of leap it took.

The next one should be pretty impressive. I'm expecting a 9AT and some kind of next-gen AWD, either hybrid or otherwise.

I will say I didnt really like the mdx when in debuted, but it has grown on me. Though from the firs time i drove one back in 2007 the interior wow'ed me AS I thought it would feel like a gussied up Honda like the 1st gen did. The gauges are very nice dash lighting looks very upscale. Only thing I think could look better are the interior door handles and i wish the doors had a little more heft to them(minor gripe).

I don't get how acura can do good on the mdx yet fudge up a base model offering something it did so well in the past

[Avus]

Phateon was a def a fake luxury vehicle. No wonder why sales tanked instantly.

Using this logic, Acura RL is also a fake luxury vehicle too... (btw, I am not taking VW side) I hate both cars. Phaeton is a ****ing expensive car with a ****ing cheap badge. Acura RL is a $70kCAD car look like a car worth only $45kCAD.

[uncleho]

When Acura comes it without something that has the swag this had back in 1989-1990 ,it will sell. While this was just an FWD semi pocket rocket hatch it just had a nice look that set it apart.

I love Hondas of that era, but what we forget is that almost everything rose then sucked horribly so a good to great Honda could easily seem so profound. Today the competition have caught up. It's not that the ILX is a bad car, but since others are on par or slightly better... the historic superiority seems like a let down.

I believe cars have matured to a level of refinement that will be impractical to improve significantly upon, which makes the former Honda reign of that era impossible. Furthermore back then Honda had a unique, albeit simple design language while so many of its competition's language was dislexic (sp?). Today its competition have brought serious game in terms of styling while Honda is the one confused.