Need to Improve Handling

[Abide]

I came to the CC from a Mazda6. This has made me craving some better turning, from the CC.

Does anyone have this installed, and do you approve?
http://www.goapr.com/products/swaybar_rear_mkv.html

[VWFSIB6]

is the Mazda6 really that much better? just curious

[Kvn22]

[CC'ed]

I would recommend the BSH 27mm solid rear bar, and the H&R 28mm solid front bar.

[Epence]

i'm leaning toward BSH rear sway bar. Is there any modification needed since it's thicker. I read somewhere a long while ago regarding the installation of BSH 27mm sway bar. Any insight would be cool.

[CC'ed]

No modifications needed to install the H&R or BSH rear sway-bars ( I have done both), BUT I did also install, at the same time, the "Stern Rear Subframe Reinforcement", which DID require some grinding and spacer-washers to install.

[Abide]

is the Mazda6 really that much better? just curious

Definately, granted it did have AWD but with turned off, I could still handle turns like a champ. Turns marked as 25 MPH I could easily accelerate through 70 MPH past the apex of the turn. There is one of these turns close to my house. I am braking to 40 MPH in the CC, and it feels like I am pushing it. I may just not have a good feel for the CC yet. I could handle this same turn in the 6 over 70 MPH, no braking need. I pushed the 6, on this turn, accelerating to 90 mph, through the apex. I thought the car was going to roll and my life was over. I would assume two of the tires left the ground for an instant.

I would recommend the BSH 27mm solid rear bar, and the H&R 28mm solid front bar.

Good to know, I will buy and install these, after next week.

[njm23]

Andddddd this thread just got a whole lot more interesting, you do all that on your local neighborhood roads?

Definately, granted it did have AWD but with turned off, I could still handle turns like a champ. Turns marked as 25 MPH I could easily accelerate through 70 MPH past the apex of the turn. There is one of these turns close to my house. I am braking to 40 MPH in the CC, and it feels like I am pushing it. I may just not have a good feel for the CC yet. I could handle this same turn in the 6 over 70 MPH, no braking need. I pushed the 6, on this turn, accelerating to 90 mph, through the apex. I thought the car was going to roll and my life was over. I would assume two of the tires left the ground for an instant.

[Abide]

This is in the country, not a suburban area nor metropolis. Zero accidents, zero tickets on my record.

I was providing an example of handling abilities, between two cars, not seeking your asinine "badass title", with the picture your friend on Facebook posted, that you've been aching to use. I bet pink panties fit you nicely.

Now, the posts from all the members that have never/act like they never exceeded the speed limit will come .

[Epence]

No modifications needed to install the H&R or BSH rear sway-bars ( I have done both), BUT I did also install, at the same time, the "Stern Rear Subframe Reinforcement", which DID require some grinding and spacer-washers to install.

thanks for the input!

[Epence]

i remember i saw an ebay link a while back with the best price for BSH rsb (around $240 shipped)...Can't find it anymore..

APR's 27mm rsb is $238+shipping though.

[njm23]

This is in the country, not a suburban area nor metropolis. Zero accidents, zero tickets on my record.

I was providing an example of handling abilities, between two cars, not seeking your asinine "badass title", with the picture your friend on Facebook posted, that you've been aching to use. I bet pink panties fit you nicely.

Now, the posts from all the members that have never/act like they never exceeded the speed limit will come .

Nope, I actually went to find one, and found that

I'm not saying I never speed, I'm saying I sure as hell hope you don't drive like that on roads that have traffic in both directions, that is STUPID, as you "hit 90 mph through the apex" if you wanna drive like that, go to the track, has no place on public roads, that is all.

As far as your thread goes, sway bars are all you prob need, suspension if you can deal with a bit stiffer of a ride.

[Bthasht]

If you think the cc is a racekor clearly you need to lower it alot more. Cut the front sway bar out to get lower, and notch the frame to clear axles. Now your getting somewhere.

But if you must both bsh and h&r are well known companies with quality parts. Both will not let you down.

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[914nickd]

JUST INSTALLED THAT VERY 27mm BAR LAST WEEK...IT DOES THE TRICK!

[914nickd]

And it only took 15 minutes to install

[Bill6211789]

Im running a BSH 27mm RSB w/ BSH endlinks and a Neuspeed 25mm FSb w/ heavy duty endlinks

You really should keep the RSB larger then the FSB. A RSB helps the front end grab traction where the FSB will do the same to the back. Though upgrading the front will help to lessen body roll so upgrading the front is beneficial just not the more crucial one to do initially.

If you really have your heart set on the APR ones just go with Hochkis sway bars from tire rack. Hochkis makes the APR sway bars all they do is powder coat them red for APR then u pay the APR price

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[snobrdrdan]

It all depends on your suspension setup.

Start with coilovers or springs (if you plan on lowering it, or looking for a stiffer setup) AND/OR then try a REAR swaybar....then look to your tire setup for grip.

THEN, if necessary, look to upgrading the front sway bar

[Epence]

Where is the cheapest for BSH rsb or other 27mm rsb? looking for $250 shipped or lower

[snobrdrdan]

Where is the cheapest for BSH rsb or other 27mm rsb? looking for $250 shipped or lower

The APR 27mm rear bar is on sale right now....just find somewhere that offers free shipping on it

Here ya go...$237 SHIPPED:
http://www.namotorsports.net/APR/Sus...ber=APSB100044

[Bill6211789]

Where is the cheapest for BSH rsb or other 27mm rsb? looking for $250 shipped or lower

Call Josh at North American motorsports he can do 250$ shipped or possibly better for the BSH RSB tell him Bill told you to call

Phone: (877) 626-6867

[nixqik1]

I'm ordering one this month, probably an APR. I know on my 01 GTI it was the single best mod that I installed, and I had pretty much everything but a big turbo kit. I'm am thinking it will do wonders for my CC that is already lowered on coils.

[Bill6211789]

I'm ordering one this month, probably an APR. I know on my 01 GTI it was the single best mod that I installed, and I had pretty much everything but a big turbo kit. I'm am thinking it will do wonders for my CC that is already lowered on coils.

Buy a Hotchkis RSB its 200$ vs the APR 279$

they are the SAME sway bar Hotchkis makes the sway bars for APR so save yourself some money

[vwj81]

Im running a BSH 27mm RSB w/ BSH endlinks and a Neuspeed 25mm FSb w/ heavy duty endlinks

You really should keep the RSB larger then the FSB. A RSB helps the front end grab traction where the FSB will do the same to the back. Though upgrading the front will help to lessen body roll so upgrading the front is beneficial just not the more crucial one to do initially.

If you really have your heart set on the APR ones just go with Hochkis sway bars from tire rack. Hochkis makes the APR sway bars all they do is powder coat them red for APR then u pay the APR price

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Not sure about the bigger rear RSB and smaller FSB suggestion (I've always seen the opposite available, or some packages have the same diameter). But I'm new to FWD, and definitely not a suspension guru. Can you explain a little more?

I checked TireRack and they don't show any available hotchkis products (at least not for an '09 CC sport). I tried searching elsewhere, but it doesn't look like they have CC specific suspension parts. Would swaybars for other models work?

[Bill6211789]

Not sure about the bigger rear RSB and smaller FSB suggestion (I've always seen the opposite available, or some packages have the same diameter). But I'm new to FWD, and definitely not a suspension guru. Can you explain a little more?

I checked TireRack and they don't show any available hotchkis products (at least not for an '09 CC sport). I tried searching elsewhere, but it doesn't look like they have CC specific suspension parts. Would swaybars for other models work?

the GTI stuff fits fine, i posted a link above for them on the tire rack site

As for the Sway bar size front to rear:

the way sway bars work is they help force traction to the opposite end they are mounted. So the Rear sway bar helps traction in the front and the front sway bar helps you grab traction in the rear.

If you com from a RWD car world having a larger FSB would make sense bc the FSB would be beneficial in cornering on a RWD car bc it will put more pressure to the rear wheels.

For our FWD cars a larger RSB will help with less body roll and help you grab more traction when turning

A FSB is still a good thing to do but you dont really need a huge FSB im running a 25mm up front and 27mm in the rear the FSB is great for reducing body roll more but for our cars the RSB is more important, bc it will allow you to accelerate out of a turn better

[sm0421]

will an H&R 24mm RSB do the job? I only do street driving and the car is my DD. thanks!

[Bill6211789]

will an H&R 24mm RSB do the job? I only do street driving and the car is my DD. thanks!

Stock rsb is about 22mm so id go a lil bigger then 25mm but that is better then stock

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[sm0421]

thanks Bill, will do the 26mm.

[VWFSIB6]

Definately, granted it did have AWD but with turned off, I could still handle turns like a champ. Turns marked as 25 MPH I could easily accelerate through 70 MPH past the apex of the turn. There is one of these turns close to my house. I am braking to 40 MPH in the CC, and it feels like I am pushing it. I may just not have a good feel for the CC yet. I could handle this same turn in the 6 over 70 MPH, no braking need. I pushed the 6, on this turn, accelerating to 90 mph, through the apex. I thought the car was going to roll and my life was over. I would assume two of the tires left the ground for an instant.



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oooooooo Mazdaspeed 6, I see now lol

[Kvn22]

Buy a Hotchkis RSB its 200$ vs the APR 279$

they are the SAME sway bar Hotchkis makes the sway bars for APR so save yourself some money

Will this bar fit a 2013 AWD CC?

Thanks

[CC'ed]

I think the RSB is different between a front-drive versus all-drive CC.

[Bill6211789]

Will this bar fit a 2013 AWD CC?

Thanks

I think the RSB is different between a front-drive versus all-drive CC.

yes the sway bars for AWD are different, im not sure what would wourk on a 2013 awd CC i would imagine somthing that would fit an R32 or awd Passat should work fine though

[snobrdrdan]

Buy a Hotchkis RSB its 200$ vs the APR 279$

they are the SAME sway bar Hotchkis makes the sway bars for APR so save yourself some money

Truth there!
Same bar as APR except it's black

I had the Hotchkis bar on my GTI, but the poly bushings squeaked (even with tons of lube) & I went with an H&R instead (it's silent)

Just Google the Hotchkis part number and search for the best price. I think I picked mine up for $190 SHIPPED

[EngTech1]

The Hell with having the - Front End Plow & Lean like a - Old BUG .

The Front Bar allows Me to take the Turns so Fast I can get the Rear Tires to do a ever
so slight Driff . and Apply the Power . ( CC Sport - Really Stays Flat )

Front End Bar really Rocks , now I also through on the White-Line Racing : Caster Anti Dive
Traction Bushings , so that Firmed up the Bushing Compliance on the LCA's some ,
and Greased that Area .

I Believe the Bar did all the Work as I had to take it out and do it again they Actually sent the
wrong one . OOoooppps , got a Discount and some Nice Bushings .

Anyway Have VW Install or APR - themselves as it is a Bit of a Job - DIY Rated 4 ****
Due to the Alignment Issues If You get the Sub frame Off or a slight tweak . Which
can be avoided If all is Marked Really Well . My Local Shop did it and it was OK Job - saved
$200.00 - I was going to get an Alignment anyhow . 40K on It so Due.

[CC'ed]

If you use the "VW Special Tool" which keeps the subframe in its original position when you install it, (forgot the tool pn, but its listed in the VW Service Manual, I recall abot $40), no front-end alignment is needed after the front sway bar install.

[Stero1D]

I'm looking into getting used APR 27mm Rear Sway Bar... Pretty good deal..

but have no experience with the swaybars....

is there anything i should be aware of when i check on the used sway bar?
what would be the best setting to use?