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      10-09-2012 03:30 AM #101
      A different home location and/or work location.

      We have a fairly good public transportation system here in the Bay Area. But it depends on where you live and where you want to go.

      For example, to SFO I just need a mile to the BART station, and then I am off and don't even need to change trains.

      To work, I need that one mile (walk, bike, or car), two trains, and two buses. The typical maximum wait time alone is 15+15+20+30 = 1h and 20min. That's without actual travel time (about 1h), and one-way. At night, a trip can take 3h - for what is 11 miles and less than 20min by car. If it doesn't rain and if it's not too late, it is faster to walk one of the bus segments, but it can still take 2h 45min.

      And for those suggesting a bicycle, the trip involves several elevation changes of 500' to over 1000,' and is about 15 miles because I can't take the highway on the bicycle...

      An EV would be perfectly fine, though.
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      10-09-2012 03:49 AM #102
      If they would bring back light rail..I would be all over it Til then...Ducati
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      10-09-2012 04:22 AM #103
      I used to take the train to work and school, but it cost $8 round trip, required 2 trains minimum each way (always trains going 'express'), unpredictable transportation times ( from 20 minutes to over an hour, absolutely ridiculous train scheduling ). I swithched to riding my bike for a while, which took about 25 minutes. Then car which took like 10 minutes. Then moved further away from work so now I basically have to drive, and it's about a 30 minute drive now. There are buses but I'm sure it'd be an hour long commute if not longer, and to me it's just not worth it. Much rather have the time to myself in the car.

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      10-09-2012 04:46 AM #104

      This is the kinda light rail I meant. more smaller trains running all the time like they used to do
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    5. 10-09-2012 04:51 AM #105
      While I'll always own a car - I'd gladly take another form of transportation if it was available. But it would have to be a better alternative.

      -Convenient
      -Cost effective (I spend perhaps $5 per day on gas, a little over a gallon or so)
      -Timely (I'm not going to spend an extra 30 minutes each way etc.)
      -Available at all hours
      -Clean and decent

      I would also ride my bike to work if I lived within say 2-3 miles of work, which I don't. It's not some diehard addiction to the car, merely no genuinely alternative.

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      10-09-2012 07:26 AM #106
      I don't think I will go without a car for a long time, but my car has taken a back seat to my motorbike for the last year, and I like it that way.
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      10-09-2012 07:37 AM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by atomicalex View Post
      I don't think I will go without a car for a long time, but my car has taken a back seat to my motorbike for the last year, and I like it that way.
      So the mixed metaphors mean walking, bicycle, or public transportation for your kids?
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    8. 10-09-2012 07:44 AM #108
      I already do it almost everyday.

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      10-09-2012 08:32 AM #109
      Can't get rid of car.

      Live in rural area.
      Work in rural area.
      No mass transit between those two, or to anywhere populated.
      Not moving to where I work.

      The only thing that exists for me is carpooling and vanpooling, and the vanpool would require even more changes to life style (currently would require me leaving the house 40 minutes earlier, and drive 15 minutes to get to rally point)

      So yea...

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      10-09-2012 10:14 AM #110
      All this just reminded me of when I read a book on the history of Grand Prairie, TX. Now Grand Prairie is part of the Metroplex (greater DFW area), the Mid-Cities specifically and has no public transportation to speak of, nor is it in any way bicycle friendly. In other words, it's the typical Southern city.

      But at the turn of the 19th Century in the time of horse buggies and the almost non-existent automobile (the first of which was purchased IIRC by a doctor in 1904 or 1908) Grand Prairie, dirt roads and all, had a trolley system that connected all the way into Dallas (and perhaps Fort Worth, but I don't remember).

      This is the story of many US cities: there was better public transportation at the dawn of the 20th century than during the 21st century.

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      10-09-2012 10:32 AM #111
      I have been riding my Cannondale mountain bike to work off and on since 2005. In Detroit I used to ride 3x per week and drove my car in the other two days.

      Here in Nashville the routes are not as friendly to bikes, so I ride once a week.



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      10-09-2012 10:40 AM #112
      decent rail system.... right now if i was to take a bus to work it would take me 1.5 hours to get there with a transfer.

      Driving it takes me about 20-25 minutes each morning.

      I thought of taking rail to see my family that lives 1.5 hours down I5.... it costs $40 each way

      it is near 80 miles (85 to be exact), and say i get 20mpg driving like an idiot (i can avg 27-30 on the freeway). That is 4 gallons I use one way, so gas would have to get over $10/gallon
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      10-09-2012 11:09 AM #113
      I finally did it today. I am back on the bus. The truck is about out of gas, and I decided that I am not putting any gas in it at all until my next paycheck.

      All it really took was my wife kicking me out of bed 10 minutes earlier than normal today. She also dropped me off at the bus stop on her way to work, so that makes it a bit more convenient. I am going to stick with it though....it will save me over $150 a month if I can stay on the bus just for my work trips.
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      10-09-2012 11:10 AM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by BluMagic View Post
      decent rail system.... right now if i was to take a bus to work it would take me 1.5 hours to get there with a transfer.

      Driving it takes me about 20-25 minutes each morning.

      I thought of taking rail to see my family that lives 1.5 hours down I5.... it costs $40 each way

      it is near 80 miles (85 to be exact), and say i get 20mpg driving like an idiot (i can avg 27-30 on the freeway). That is 4 gallons I use one way, so gas would have to get over $10/gallon
      I know the feeling.

      To visit my family, it is 300mi each way. Cheapest toll route is $10 total.
      Roundtrip: 600mi / 37MPG * $3.60 = $58 for gas + $10 tolls = $68 total

      I took a one-way train home because I brought a car up to them. It was $70 one way (and another 30 for business, but not counting that). And that still puts me an hour away from home to the train station, and the 45 minutes from my family to their station.

      Needs to be a better way.

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      10-09-2012 11:20 AM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by uncle_scott View Post
      I finally did it today. I am back on the bus. The truck is about out of gas, and I decided that I am not putting any gas in it at all until my next paycheck.

      All it really took was my wife kicking me out of bed 10 minutes earlier than normal today. She also dropped me off at the bus stop on her way to work, so that makes it a bit more convenient. I am going to stick with it though....it will save me over $150 a month if I can stay on the bus just for my work trips.
      Listen to music or read a book/magazine while on the bus. It makes things a lot more fun and relaxing.

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      10-09-2012 11:21 AM #116
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      Convenience.
      This.

      If I had access to a good public transportation system (something like in London/Tokyo/Paris), then I'd get rid of the car in a heart beat.

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      10-09-2012 11:21 AM #117
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      10-09-2012 11:35 AM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      While I'll always own a car - I'd gladly take another form of transportation if it was available. But it would have to be a better alternative.

      -Convenient
      -Cost effective (I spend perhaps $5 per day on gas, a little over a gallon or so)
      -Timely (I'm not going to spend an extra 30 minutes each way etc.)
      -Available at all hours
      -Clean and decent

      I would also ride my bike to work if I lived within say 2-3 miles of work, which I don't. It's not some diehard addiction to the car, merely no genuinely alternative.
      pretty much this. the problem is that public transit systems like this are nearly non-existent in places that aren't major metro areas. i used to ride my bike to work on occasion, but its 4 miles and i'm not doing that during winter in Michigan.
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    19. 10-09-2012 12:15 PM #119
      I currently drive to our commuter light rail system, as I work in downtown Chicago. For me, Metra is the only way to efficiently get to my job and back, and its very stress free and relatively low cost.

      For my wife, public transit is ABSOLUTELY NOT an option, as she commutes suburb-to-suburb with no public transport option. She also commutes from our suburb out to Northern Illinois University, 45 minutes west of us out in the sticks. In anticipation of this, I bought her a Prius which we will be keeping long term. This has to continue for about 3 years...once she graduates, we might sell our house and move to a suburb where we can both use the same train line (i.e. a trainline that allows her to commute suburb-to-suburb using the inbound train....UP-NW from Crystal Lake to Arlington Heights, for those of you Chicagoans)...

      In short - we both need cars, but we are trying to use public transit as much as is convenient.
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      10-09-2012 12:37 PM #120
      How many cities in the US have good public transportation systems?

      By good I mean that a person can get around with real flexibility. Not just 1 commuter bus to and from suburbia to city center at 8am and 6pm.

      NYC, Chicago, Boston... where else?

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      10-09-2012 12:47 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      How many cities in the US have good public transportation systems?

      By good I mean that a person can get around with real flexibility. Not just 1 commuter bus to and from suburbia to city center at 8am and 6pm.

      NYC, Chicago, Boston... where else?
      It's a pretty short list, you might ad DC and Portland but otherwise not much.

      By American standards, our bus system here is pretty good but by international standards it's barely adequate. When I worked in the burbs, I could take the bus but my commute more than doubled vs driving. Now going downtown taking the bus is about +10 minutes, which is reasonable given how much money I save.

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      10-09-2012 12:52 PM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      How many cities in the US have good public transportation systems?

      By good I mean that a person can get around with real flexibility. Not just 1 commuter bus to and from suburbia to city center at 8am and 6pm.

      NYC, Chicago, Boston... where else?
      I am guessing many major U.S. cities have decent bus services and connections.

      But if you are talking more specifically about cities with rail, probably not many.

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      10-09-2012 01:11 PM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by Egz View Post
      I know the feeling.

      To visit my family, it is 300mi each way. Cheapest toll route is $10 total.
      Roundtrip: 600mi / 37MPG * $3.60 = $58 for gas + $10 tolls = $68 total

      I took a one-way train home because I brought a car up to them. It was $70 one way (and another 30 for business, but not counting that). And that still puts me an hour away from home to the train station, and the 45 minutes from my family to their station.

      Needs to be a better way.


      yeah so dumb... if i want to go to a football game and everyone can drink it takes a bus and a train to get there then like 3 buses and many hours to get home unless I want to stop drinking and get back on the train to go home at like 6:30pm yeah right.
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      10-09-2012 01:20 PM #124
      I really like the idea of a non-car dependent life (still own a car but don't have to use it daily).

      I take the metro to work every day, but have to drive to the metro station. I have taken the bus to the metro station and if the timing works out is good, but I'm typically waiting for the bus in at least one direction. I am looking for a new job and talking with 3 companies, all within 12 miles of home (one is 2 times form my house). If I end up working for any of these, I'll bike to work when it's decent out, hopefully averaging 3x per week.

      I live in an area where I can walk to shops, a few restaurants and bars, the grocery store, etc. I really like that. I hate needing to drive to short errands.

      Our next house will be in an even more walkable area. Not downtown but maybe one of the neighborhoods just outside of the city where there are lots of places within walking/biking distance, you can walk to transportation, etc., but still have a bit of space to yourself. To me, that is a great way to live.

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      10-09-2012 01:22 PM #125
      Already kind of out of my car to go to school. I take the bus because parking and gas it too expensive. We also have a really good bus system where I live with a reserved bus lane to go to Montreal so its faster too.

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