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    Thread: What will it take to get/force you out of your car and into some other form of transit?

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      10-09-2012 01:26 PM #126
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0_Mazda View Post
      Already kind of out of my car to go to school. I take the bus because parking and gas it too expensive. We also have a really good bus system where I live with a reserved bus lane to go to Montreal so its faster too.
      Montreal has the best transit system of any major city in canada.
      I've read that it was designed at a time when montreal was expected to be canada's largest city, hence the capacity and reach.
      The TTC in toronto is massive, but completely overwhelmed by demand.
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      10-09-2012 01:36 PM #127
      id leave my car for a different form of transportation today if i could. if something as cheap and convenient was available to me.

      as a hobby, i will never leave cars. nothing besides no more roads could change that.
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      10-09-2012 02:04 PM #128
      Having to work in DC was the tipping point for me...no way I'm driving in.
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      10-09-2012 02:20 PM #129
      Quote Originally Posted by JMURiz View Post
      Having to work in DC was the tipping point for me...no way I'm driving in.
      When I lived in NW DC I ended up working in as a car-based courier for larger packages. It sucked- so many parking tickets. The Metro was great for meeting friends and seeing the city though- unless I was going to Georgetown.
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    5. 10-09-2012 02:29 PM #130
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      How many cities in the US have good public transportation systems?

      By good I mean that a person can get around with real flexibility. Not just 1 commuter bus to and from suburbia to city center at 8am and 6pm.

      NYC, Chicago, Boston... where else?
      That's the thing with our public transit system....it only works if you want to go into the city.

      If you want to go from the western Burbs to the NW burbs (i.e. Elgin IL to Arlington Heights)...well...forget it. We don't have a transit system for that.

      Honestly we should have a radial train system with two or three rings around the city to service suburb-to-suburb.
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      10-09-2012 03:32 PM #131
      Quote Originally Posted by moose82 View Post
      I live in an area where I can walk to shops, a few restaurants and bars, the grocery store, etc. I really like that. I hate needing to drive to short errands.

      Our next house will be in an even more walkable area. Not downtown but maybe one of the neighborhoods just outside of the city where there are lots of places within walking/biking distance, you can walk to transportation, etc., but still have a bit of space to yourself. To me, that is a great way to live.
      That's the way to go.

      When I was growing up, my family lived in a 400sqft condo (probably even less)--in the densest, grittiest neighborhood you can imagine. Public transportation was totally awesome, but everything else wasn't.

      In the U.S., we have the luxury of space. Sometimes people take that for granted and think that the only responsible way to live is to pack like sardines in high-rises.

      To me, a walkable suburban neighborhood with effective public transportation is ideal.

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      10-09-2012 03:36 PM #132
      Well I currently reside in the city and parking is not an option, so I guess in general if I move from a rural to an urban environment, then that'll force me out of my car.

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      10-09-2012 03:56 PM #133
      Quote Originally Posted by Preppy View Post
      Montreal has the best transit system of any major city in canada.
      I've read that it was designed at a time when montreal was expected to be canada's largest city, hence the capacity and reach.
      The TTC in toronto is massive, but completely overwhelmed by demand.
      Have you been to Montreal? Public transport here SUCKS. Its great if you live within a few sq kms of downtown, but the island of montreal is not covered. Not even close. I live almost 40 kms from the nearest metro station. Our train system is OK, but if you miss the train at 6 45 or 715, the next one is at 9 I think? And then it does not resume till morning...
      The Buses aren't good in the suburbs either (Im not THAT far from downtown) some times it makes more sense (time wise) to walk. The subway cars are not air conditioned either, and the number of stations that are accessible to people in wheel chairs is quite sad.
      For the taxes we pay here, id expect more. A LOT more.
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      10-09-2012 04:00 PM #134
      Quote Originally Posted by genjy View Post
      That's the way to go.

      When I was growing up, my family lived in a 400sqft condo (probably even less)--in the densest, grittiest neighborhood you can imagine. Public transportation was totally awesome, but everything else wasn't.

      In the U.S., we have the luxury of space. Sometimes people take that for granted and think that the only responsible way to live is to pack like sardines in high-rises.

      To me, a walkable suburban neighborhood with effective public transportation is ideal.
      Agreed. Being able to wake up on Sunday morning, walk your dog, grab a coffee then sit in the park for a bit. Walk to a restaurant or a friend's house. If you can walk to a bus or metro stop to easily get to work. The whole idea of that is so appealing to me. I'm in the burbs now and it makes everything more time consuming than it needs to be. Luckily I can walk and bike to several places.

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      10-09-2012 04:05 PM #136
      Quote Originally Posted by MK5golf View Post
      Have you been to Montreal? Public transport here SUCKS. Its great if you live within a few sq kms of downtown, but the island of montreal is not covered. Not even close. I live almost 40 kms from the nearest metro station. Our train system is OK, but if you miss the train at 6 45 or 715, the next one is at 9 I think? And then it does not resume till morning...
      The Buses aren't good in the suburbs either (Im not THAT far from downtown) some times it makes more sense (time wise) to walk. The subway cars are not air conditioned either, and the number of stations that are accessible to people in wheel chairs is quite sad.
      For the taxes we pay here, id expect more. A LOT more.
      I've always found public transit in mtl to be awesome... though, that said, I was only really in the few sq km area of downtown. So perhaps that's why I'm biased.

      Your taxes go to your stupid separatist gov't

      Seriously though, for the size of toronto, the TTC blows goats in terms of usefulness, reliability, and convenience.
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      10-09-2012 04:21 PM #137
      Quote Originally Posted by moose82 View Post
      Agreed. Being able to wake up on Sunday morning, walk your dog, grab a coffee then sit in the park for a bit. Walk to a restaurant or a friend's house. If you can walk to a bus or metro stop to easily get to work. The whole idea of that is so appealing to me. I'm in the burbs now and it makes everything more time consuming than it needs to be. Luckily I can walk and bike to several places.
      This is actually possible in quite a few cities, you just need to have picked your place of residence and place of work well (and in tandem), and in this economy, both are fairly difficult.
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      10-09-2012 04:35 PM #138
      Quote Originally Posted by genjy View Post
      I am guessing many major U.S. cities have decent bus services and connections.

      But if you are talking more specifically about cities with rail, probably not many.
      Sorry, I didn't describe very well what I was getting at is ... how many cities can I leave my home, take my kid to day care, get to work, then do the reverse *at any time of day*? What if my kid is sick and I have to leave work early, pick him up, and get us both home. With my experience in NYC and Boston, I think I could do it, but was wondering where else in the US there is that level of "flexibility."

      Around here, there ARE buses and they mostly run in and out from the burbs to the 2 or 3 major "work" (College, Hospital, etc) areas then back again at the end of the day *(commuter bus) Good luck getting back to the burbs in the middle of the day if you have to go home early.

      There is a bunch of local bus routes but they (sorry this sounds bad) basically are there for low income folks and the elderly. There's a bus stop near every large public housing areas, senior center, library, the grocery store, town hall, etc. They are incredibly time consuming and are only used by people who literally have no other choice. (my non-driving sister is one of them).

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      10-09-2012 04:59 PM #139
      Quote Originally Posted by nm+ View Post
      This is actually possible in quite a few cities, you just need to have picked your place of residence and place of work well (and in tandem), and in this economy, both are fairly difficult.
      Yep, I am aware. When the time comes to sell my current house, this will be a big factor in our next house. We could stay in this area (Northern VA) and either go to Alexandria, Arlington, or one of the neighborhoods on the outskirts of DC. After living in the suburbs the past 3 years I want to be closer to everything.

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