For dry goods, you can survive without so much surplus- or just buy a little extra each time you go.
It's not impossible- millions of people do it.
The nearest fast food is about ten miles away. I hate living in the city and would see a situation that ended with me living downtown as something worst than death. I feel bad for all the people wedged into the concrete jungle, trying to justify tiny overpriced shoeboxes and lack of freedom.
1) When I said, "I feel sorry..." what I meant was, "I feel sorry that some of you do not have the FLEXIBILITY like I do to: a) Drive if you want, b) Walk if you want, or c) Ride if you want. I did NOT infer, "I feel sorry for you... because y'all a bunch of dumbarse! Go ride a bike, you b*tches!!!"
2) How you live is your business... not mine (obviously). I would like to think that the BEST scenario is when everyone has as many OPTIONS available to them. Like me (It hasn't always been that way for me.). And that is why I said, "I feel sorry..."
BTW... because I have all three options... when I need to do a COSTCO run (~1x/month), we have the car for that. When I need to get some veggies for a certain meal... I ride to the grocery about 2-3 miles away. I don't make a "zillion" rides for anything. I, too, work 10+ hours per week... 6 days, so yeah... I hear yah about TIME. Biking for me permits me to get my cardio exercise in during the week (1 hour to work and 1 hour back) so I can lift late at night when the kiddies are asleep.
Lighten up, bro.
2) I have a garage. In the house and my current townhouse.
3) A few acres of land? Dude, I'd dare say 95% of the US population does NOT have that luxury. Especially anyone living in any suburb. But yeah... I have 5 wooded acres in the boonies outside of Metro Detroit (my retirement home or getaway for the zombie apocalypse). Anyone living on acreage like that is definitely not signing up for quick drives to the groceries.
4) My townhouse is 3500SF over 4 floors (It's a LIVE/WORK setup, but I use the WORK space as a family room and gym.). And like I said... I am far from the "urban jungle" since Birmingham, MI is as suburbia as it gets... albeit less sprawl than most modern suburbia.
5) I have plenty of park area around me... within riding or driving distance. Amazingly... Metro Detroit is fairly green compared to most suburbia around the US (i.e. We actually have lots of trees.).
6) As far as freedom goes... I gots it. Along with flexibility of options... which was my whole point all along (i.e. READ MY RESPONSE TO STACK before you go bonkers with reactionary responses. Have a and relax, chief.).
Urban living may not be your choice, but it's not right to say it lacks freedom. More choices, more options, certainly aren't infringing on freedom.
I've lived in all sorts of areas and I'll be the first in line for an over-priced shoebox if it means a 5 minute walk to work/market/gym/park, etc...
At the same time, I like living 2 hours away from a major metro and having land, garages, cars, etc... As long as I don't need to make that trip very often.
But say I did-- I'd much rather a high speed rail take me to LA /SF / LV /SD than waste time driving or deal with a combination of airlines, connections, and rental cars. I could spend that commute time working, reading email, conference calling, etc...
There's no "trying" to justify any of it- it's all a balance of preference and necessity. Don't poo poo it just because it doesn't suit your needs.
And listening to some of you who live in urban areas... damn. I did not realize the semi-urban regional transit agency I work for has better service times than your urban/suburban "real" transit agencies. Our SLOWEST service interval is an hour, and those are intercity runs in the Southeast...
As much hate as the Detroit area some times gets... there are many things about it that make it quite nice. Mainly...
1) You can get some serious homes for less than $400k. Granted, they aren't going to put them in architectural magazines, but they're far better than the $500, 600, 700k places you speak of around Chicago... or DC or LA or etc.
2) The traffic is not that bad... compared to the stuff I've witnessed around Chicago, DC, Houston, LA, etc.
BTW... it doesn't matter where you are, because generally if you are in some newer (nicer) hood... be it condo or house... there is some aSSociation of Nazis pushing beige or how tall the grass is.
I am 7 miles from work, and have a bus transit pass given to me. The bus takes me 18 minutes to get to work, and the stop is 1/2 mile from my house, which is about a 5 minute walk. I used to use transit a lot, but I have grown lazy...I added up the gas I am using my driving my Ford Ranger, and I am over $150 a month in fuel alone. I need to get back on the bus. It is plenty convenient, and I find that the 8am and 5pm crowd is usually business people or students.
I want to ride my bike to work, but again, I am lazy...I think for me it is just going to be getting off my butt more than anything. Obviously I *can afford to drive, but I think at some point, the question is going to be do I *want to spend that money on fuel, or do I want to do something more ueful with it.
No car? never
Get rid of my car for commuting? Quick, clean, and affordable public transit. I used to do that when I lived in NorCal. Amtrak California was great.
In the IE? I checked. It would take 2 hours, multiple transfers, and significant walking (try walking in a suit when it is 110) to get to work. Takes me 15min to drive. It would also likely cost more (though maybe not with $5 gas). F that.
Originally Posted by Ducky TSX
There's no way I could give my car up.
I live downtown, but I work in a suburban business park, and the busses only run there at certain hours...meaning if i'm working an odd shift, I could get abandoned at work, or not be able to get there. This on top of the fact that my commute is 20 minutes by car... but would be 1 hour by bus.
Ottawa has the most expensive public transit in Canada, ($3.30 cash), meaning it would cost more to take the bus than it costs me in 91 Octane gas. Of course, I'd save if i got a pass, and the bus is cheaper than gas AND insurance, but, what's 80 minutes of each day worth?
This is all on top of the fact that my parents and some good friends live in the country, and I go to see them every week. I'd literally have to stop visiting my parents (and start paying for laundry!).
"This couldn't possibly break, I'll put it way the **** down there." -every German car engineer.
If the local bus is reliable and takes me where I need to be, without me having to be at the mercy of the bus schedule, sure. But if I have to rotate my school/work schedule to catch a bus, then hell no. Last time I used a bus it made me an hour late to work. Same commute in my car takes 1/2 to 1/3rd the time.