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      10-07-2012 01:12 AM #1
      So I've been going through a classic car kick recently. Spending a lot of time looking at old awesome cars. Show me some of your favorites!

      Some of mine:

      1929 Duesenberg


      1928 Mercedes-Benz Torpedo Roadster


      1914 Stutz Bearcat



      1930 Mercedes benz ssk (My favorite!)





      1924 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost Boat Tail Speedster


      1927 Rolls Royce Phantom


      1927 Lincoln Touring Car


      1928 Cadillac Type 341a Dual Cowl Pheaton


      1929 Auburn 8 120 Speedster


      1929 Rolls Royce
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      10-07-2012 08:15 AM #3
      The Auto Union GP machine above would be a very "late twenties" car, since it was campaigned in 1939.

      Perhaps the 2 grandest and most over-achieving marques of the 1920s were both born, and died, in that decade. First the Doble steam automobiles, created by the engineering genius Abner Doble. Most of them built in 1925:



      The other is the Wills St Claire, created by another giant of automotive engineering, C. Harold Wills. Wills was the engineering right-hand of Henry Ford in the beginning of Ford Motor Company, and the Model T was showered with his mechanical and metalllurgical innovations. His own car, shown here, was a cost-no-object piece of engineering artistry that featured the first SOHC V8 engine in a roadgoing automobile, hydraulic brakes, the world's first backup lamps (a minor yet important innovation), lightweight construction throughout, and perhaps the most meticulous quality control of any automobiles before or since:



      The 1927 LaSalle, which was GM's "companion make" for Cadillac, was the first production automobile line to receive the design input of the immortal Harley Earl, who came to GM on contract and ended up practically running the company as its all-important VP of Styling. Earl's work on this LaSalle created a sensation in the industry and set trends that influenced carmakers worldwide. Earl made this into a GM habit over the coming decades. Here is a picture of the 1927 LaSalle serving as the Official Pace Car for that year's Indianapolis 500 Sweepstakes Race (as it was called back then):

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      10-07-2012 09:02 AM #4
      If you're ever in Southern California please do yourself a favor and visit the Nethercutt Museum.

      http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/Collection.aspx

      Some of the best pre 1930's (and others) cars I've ever seen. I'm not an expert or very knowledgable about the cars but there are tons of coach built beauties.

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      10-07-2012 09:21 AM #5
      The Nethercutt collection is on my bucket list.
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      10-07-2012 09:55 AM #6
      OK, I'm going to try and sneak this in... purely because more people should see it. 1925 Rolls-Royce Phantom I (1934 rebody).













      Moar: http://classiccars.about.com/b/2008/...sen-museum.htm


      Also, Bugatti Type 41 Royale




      Also a heads up for anybody ever visiting Europe, take a tour past Mulhouse for the wonderful Schlumpf museum for all your Bugatti lust. I really need to make a thread of my own about this place,

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      10-07-2012 12:15 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by AB11 View Post
      OK, I'm going to try and sneak this in... purely because more people should see it. 1925 Rolls-Royce Phantom I (1934 rebody).


      I want to say I've seen this in person at the Petersen and it is simply stunning! The circular door just does it for me!

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      10-07-2012 12:40 PM #8
      Well, Pre 1930s leaves out the thirties themselves, which is one hell of a decade. I would post a Talbot Lago if it fit the thread.

      There are some beautiful and mechanically impressive cars here already, though.

      Larry, do you think that the Willis is of substantially better quality than Duesenberg? That's not a small feat by any measure!
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      10-07-2012 01:16 PM #9
      Hi Dave!


      I have nothing to contribute to your thread.
      Insert offensive language here.

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      10-07-2012 04:16 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      The Auto Union GP machine above would be a very "late twenties" car, since it was campaigned in 1939.
      Those are some awesome carrs! I've been reading your blog all day. Thanks for sharing!

      Quote Originally Posted by leitmotif View Post
      If you're ever in Southern California please do yourself a favor and visit the Nethercutt Museum.

      http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/Collection.aspx

      Some of the best pre 1930's (and others) cars I've ever seen. I'm not an expert or very knowledgable about the cars but there are tons of coach built beauties.
      I'm in Utah but I believe Its only 11 hour drive to Los Angeles from here... I may just drive out there for a 3 day weekend once school is over for the semester! Thanks for sharing!

      Quote Originally Posted by AB11 View Post
      OK, I'm going to try and sneak this in... purely because more people should see it. 1925 Rolls-Royce Phantom I (1934 rebody).
      I'm not picky. Thanks for sharing, that is right up there with that mercedes ssk that I posted as far as coolest old cars ever!

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      10-07-2012 04:17 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Well, Pre 1930s leaves out the thirties themselves, which is one hell of a decade. I would post a Talbot Lago if it fit the thread.

      There are some beautiful and mechanically impressive cars here already, though.

      Larry, do you think that the Willis is of substantially better quality than Duesenberg? That's not a small feat by any measure!
      If you wanted to sneak some 30's or 40's cars in there I wouldn't be offended.

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      Hi Dave!


      I have nothing to contribute to your thread.
      What up nemsy! What are you doing outside of your padded cell?

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      10-07-2012 04:28 PM #12
      Ralph Lauren's Bugatti Type 57 SC


      Bugatti type 57 C dash (I think)


      1939 Mercedes benz 540 k





      1933 Mercedes Benz 380k

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      10-07-2012 04:29 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by David802 View Post
      What are you doing outside of your padded cell?
      Oh you know, crafting tin foil hats and verbally assaulting the common folk.

      Remembered I took these at that So. Jordan carshow. They qualify right?

      1912 Packard truck-



      And idk the year for these Benz's but they have that classic sweetness factor to them-



      Now imagine my mk2, and Lincolns 20th sittin at this show next to these and old muscle cars. We totally didn't fit in.
      Insert offensive language here.

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      10-07-2012 04:33 PM #14
      The last two are replicas meant to look somewhat similar to the Mercedes SSK. They aren't real. I don't know the manufacture, but I would guess it's a CMC Gazelle or something.

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      10-07-2012 04:34 PM #15
      The '20s were an interesting transition period as cars got less wagon-like and more car like. Up until the '20s most cars were open air, some having side curtains, but few had roll up windows. Back seat heaters were nearly non-existent so cars came equipped with "robe rails" for horse-hair blankets and robes to keep you warm. Model Ts came with heaters that used the heat of the exhaust manifold to blow into the passenger compartment while you were at speed. My '33 Continental Flyer didn't even come with one.

      Another interesting change is seen in the Bugatti seen above. It has an open air cockpit for the driver and aid. They were common folk and back then most houses didn't have indoor plumbing so baths were only taken every week or so. The enclosed compartment was self-preservation for the Gentry set.

      Yes, limiting cars to the '20s leaves out some of the most beautiful cars in the world, the Streamliners, but I respect starting a thread like this.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Galrot View Post
      The last two are replicas meant to look somewhat similar to the Mercedes SSK. They aren't real. I don't know the manufacture, but I would guess it's a CMC Gazelle or something.
      Those are Excalibers, I think. Ugly things.
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      Quote Originally Posted by N3M51R View Post
      Oh you know, crafting tin foil hats and verbally assaulting the common folk.

      Remembered I took these at that So. Jordan carshow. They qualify right?

      1912 Packard truck-
      Those are some nice cars! I should have gone to that show, instead of work. Maybe next year....

      Bugatti Type 41


      Bugatti Type 50T


      Bugatti Type 46

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      10-07-2012 04:39 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by N3M51R View Post

      And idk the year for these Benz's but they have that classic sweetness factor to them-



      Now imagine my mk2, and Lincolns 20th sittin at this show next to these and old muscle cars. We totally didn't fit in.
      Kinda like this picture not fitting in to this thread. They're cool but they were built about 50 years too late (in someone's garage).
      Next edit by onebadbug; tomorrow at 10:13 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Galrot View Post
      The last two are replicas meant to look somewhat similar to the Mercedes SSK. They aren't real. I don't know the manufacture, but I would guess it's a CMC Gazelle or something.
      That doesn't surprise me. After seeing what some of these super old Mercedes cars go for.

      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      The '20s were an interesting transition period as cars got less wagon-like and more car like. Up until the '20s most cars were open air, some having side curtains, but few had roll up windows. Back seat heaters were nearly non-existent so cars came equipped with "robe rails" for horse-hair blankets and robes to keep you warm. Model Ts came with heaters that used the heat of the exhaust manifold to blow into the passenger compartment while you were at speed. My '33 Continental Flyer didn't even come with one.

      Another interesting change is seen in the Bugatti seen above. It has an open air cockpit for the driver and aid. They were common folk and back then most houses didn't have indoor plumbing so baths were only taken every week or so. The enclosed compartment was self-preservation for the Gentry set.

      Yes, limiting cars to the '20s leaves out some of the most beautiful cars in the world, the Streamliners, but I respect starting a thread like this.
      Are you talking about the Bugatti Royal I posted the black and white photo of? Either way, thanks for sharing! I love little pieces of car trivia like that. And I am buckling a bit, posting things that are after 1930's... Like you said, the 20's are a good transition phase but I think you can still see a lot of influence from the car cars in cars in the 30's as well, and that's kind of what I'm after.

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      1935 Tatra t77a






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      Quote Originally Posted by Galrot View Post
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      Is that rear engine? The back reminds me of the type 1 bug and the vents look like they're made for an air cooled engine.

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      Quote Originally Posted by David802 View Post
      Is that rear engine? The back reminds me of the type 1 bug and the vents look like they're made for an air cooled engine.
      It got a rear-mounted air-cooled v8.

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      10-07-2012 04:48 PM #23
      Now that's a Streamliner. I was at that Concours, I believe. It looks like the Glenmoor Country Club in the background.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Galrot View Post
      It got a rear-mounted air-cooled v8.
      Damn! Time to do some googling...

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      10-07-2012 04:51 PM #25
      Same car?



      Engine designed by Dr. Porsche, I believe.



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      '35 500K


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      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      Same car?
      I think so... Thanks for sharing that engine photo.. Did you talk to the owner at all, if so did he do the restoration himself or did he pay someone to do it? Also, I guess that Tatra is the first streamliner. Wiki says its the first car ever designed to be truly aerodynamic and was designed, in part, by the guy that did the zeppelin.

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      Quote Originally Posted by 1985Jetta View Post
      '35 500K

      I thought that that was our red 356 in the background at Ault Park. Closer inspection shows no whitewalls or tan top. That's usually a great show for foreign cars.
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      10-07-2012 05:00 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      Same car?
      Yes, it is. Here are my two sources for the pictues:
      http://www.conceptcarz.com/events/ev...682&catID=2435

      http://www.conceptcarz.com/events/ev...222&catID=1745



      Now something else:

      1937 Pourtout Delage D8 120S Aero Coupe







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      Quote Originally Posted by David802 View Post
      I think so... Thanks for sharing that engine photo.. Did you talk to the owner at all, if so did he do the restoration himself or did he pay someone to do it? Also, I guess that Tatra is the first streamliner. Wiki says its the first car ever designed to be truly aerodynamic and was designed, in part, by the guy that did the zeppelin.
      Not the first streamliner, by any means, but the first to be tested for stability.

      I speak to a lot of people, but suffer from NND, New Name Disorder; always have. I love it when the better shows put the owner's names on their credentials.

      That looks like a pretty fresh restoration, but you never know. The restoration on my Mark II convertible is going on 20 years, astounding most people. I know where all the flaws are, though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Galrot View Post
      Now something else:

      1937 Pourtout Delage D8 120S Aero Coupe

      That's when cars reached their pinnacle in styling, IMO.
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      10-07-2012 05:09 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      That's when cars reached their pinnacle in styling, IMO.
      I personally think the best time in terms of styling was between mid '50s until the oil crisis in the early '70s, but I appreciate many of the streamliner-design from this period too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      That's when cars reached their pinnacle in styling, IMO.
      It is definitely one of the pinnacles... I don't think you can really compare these old streamlined cars to some of the new cars... To me, its more like different genres of art. Both incredibly beautiful, but in different ways.

      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      Not the first streamliner, by any means, but the first to be tested for stability.

      I speak to a lot of people, but suffer from NND, New Name Disorder; always have. I love it when the better shows put the owner's names on their credentials.

      That looks like a pretty fresh restoration, but you never know. The restoration on my Mark II convertible is going on 20 years, astounding most people. I know where all the flaws are, though.
      Was worth a shot. It looks like a really nice resto, and I like that they didn't try and change, polish or modify anything. It looks like it just rolled out of the showroom floor, but then that is what a concourse show is .
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      Quote Originally Posted by N3M51R View Post

      And idk the year for these Benz's but they have that classic sweetness factor to them-



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      I love the Conceptcarz site. They have pages for our '33 Continental Flyer, '55 Porsche Continental Cabrio and '56 Mark II convertible. We seem to frequently cross paths.

      The '33 Flyer is also a transition car. While the '32 Fords were all-steel, that feature was uncommon for most cars. Most cars were made from sheet metal nailed or screwed to a wood frame. Wood holds moisture so many of the cars simply rotted or rusted away. Structural integrity was a joke after a couple of years of rough roads. Some of the crash pictures are pretty horrific.

      Brief history of this car and why people find it significant. First, it's the only known running example in the Western Hemisphere. It was designed for a new entry into the growing auto market of 200, or so, manufacturers. The Continental Motor Company made engines for most of those companies, along with Lycoming and others. They got stuck with a debt of $500,000 for unpaid bills for engines private labelled Hall for the DeVaux Company. They traded a portion of the debt for the factory and the existing stock of unbuilt bodies and went into the car-building business, competing with their customers. The Flyer model lasted a single year and the company stopped building cars in 1934.

      The car is significant in other ways. They took what they thought were the best automotive ideas of the time and applied them to their product. The rear suspension used (4) quarter elliptical springs to locate and spring the rear axle for significantly lowered sprung weight. The split front axle had a transverse spring on the front. While that was common for cars of that era, what was uncommon was that there was only one shackle. One end was fixed to the axle and the other had a shackle to allow for movement, but that created a 3-point suspension, a very stable configuration. It eliminated the side to side sway of the "buggy-ride" motion of most cars. They took that theory a step further and applied it to an engine for the fist time. The transmission was supported on a single mount with two spring/rubber mounts up front. This eliminated the typical side to side motto of a motor/trans on 4 mounts.

      The one thing that set this car above many others in its low price range is that it was designed by a Count Alexis de Sakhnoffsky, a russian nobleman that designed cars for french companies. It was high style for low dollars.

      Note the wide stance and wheel gap, both very unusual for the time.

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