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    Thread: Will they ever make a Manual+Automatic transmission in the same car ?

    1. 10-07-2012 01:29 AM #1
      O.k don't bag me as I don't have any real knowledge on how transmissions work

      But will they ever make a Manual+Automatic transmission in the same car
      I mean Full manual, as in a clutch pedal. Then say when the wife hops in she could perhaps turn a rotary dial and select which automatic gear she wants. Will this be possible in the future as I feel we are getting closer with semi-automatics and dual-clutch transmissions out today

      It would be great to buy a manual again without upsetting the wife

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      10-07-2012 01:54 AM #3
      Sort of? From the late 30s to the early 50s Chrysler had Fluid Drive available on their cars. It replaced the engine's flywheel with some sort of fluid based thing that worked like an early torque converter but left a standard clutch and manual transmission behind it. This meant that you could stop the car in gear without using the clutch and start up again by just pressing the throttle, but you still had to use the clutch to change gears while moving. It was just a three speed though, so you could just leave it in second and not bother changing gear at all for most normal driving I would imagine.


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      10-07-2012 02:21 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by ToucheTurtle View Post
      I had an auto stick Super Beetle, it was a terrible idea. Not only do you have the usual aircooled VW oil leaks but you get the added bonus of ATF in your driveway/garage at no extra charge. Your funnels shall gather no dust.
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      10-07-2012 02:23 AM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by r_fostoria View Post
      Sort of? From the late 30s to the early 50s Chrysler had Fluid Drive available on their cars. It replaced the engine's flywheel with some sort of fluid based thing that worked like an early torque converter but left a standard clutch and manual transmission behind it. This meant that you could stop the car in gear without using the clutch and start up again by just pressing the throttle, but you still had to use the clutch to change gears while moving. It was just a three speed though, so you could just leave it in second and not bother changing gear at all for most normal driving I would imagine.
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      10-07-2012 03:02 AM #6
      Modern day DSG, PDK, SMG, etc. is probably as close to the concept as you get. After that it's just unnecessary.
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      10-08-2012 07:06 AM #7
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    8. 10-08-2012 08:11 AM #8
      You do not in fact need three legs to drive a stick shift. My wife drives a 5-speed. Teach yours.

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      10-08-2012 09:15 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      Modern day DSG, PDK, SMG, etc. is probably as close to the concept as you get. After that it's just unnecessary.
      I'm sure these are as close as we will get these days, manuals that will let the computer take over if you fail to shift properly. The idea of a manual/auto that will let the driver over rev it or use an improper gear is too much of a liability.

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      10-08-2012 09:49 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Dubai Vol View Post
      You do not in fact need three legs to drive a stick shift. My wife drives a 5-speed. Teach yours.
      Many won't learn.

      Then again, it's their choice, I guess. Kinda sucks if you have to go down to one car.
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      10-08-2012 09:51 AM #11
      if your only car is a manual, you learn PDQ

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      10-08-2012 09:53 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      I had an auto stick Super Beetle, it was a terrible idea. Not only do you have the usual aircooled VW oil leaks but you get the added bonus of ATF in your driveway/garage at no extra charge. Your funnels shall gather no dust.
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      10-08-2012 09:53 AM #13
      the e46 m3's smg is probably as close as you'll get. it is the same transmission as the manual but lacking the 3rd pedal.

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      10-08-2012 10:05 AM #14
      I always thought this would be a neat idea, actually. DSG and other similar transmissions already do this, but what I thought could be a novel feature is this:

      - Automatic mode: works the same way it does in DSG

      - Manual mode: The shifter will "unlock" and work through a gate and actually shift into 1st, 2nd, etc. Instead of a paddle, the "shifter" acts as a switch to tell the tranny to shift up or down. Many cars already do this as you can move the shifter sequentially for shifting up and down through the gears. It could work similarly to a video game console's. Since there is no actual linkage to the transmission, the mechanism could be weighted and set up for optimum shift feel and tactile feedback.

      Now, you may not have a third pedal, but at least you're rowing gears. Just a thought.
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    15. 10-08-2012 10:42 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Dubai Vol View Post
      You do not in fact need three legs to drive a stick shift. My wife drives a 5-speed. Teach yours.
      Same here.
      Just teach them.

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      10-08-2012 05:33 PM #16


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      This transmission incorporates a Super T10 4 speed with an automatic overdrive. The overdrive can come on in second, third, and fourth gears.... thus 4 + 3! It is only used in Corvettes made in 1984 to 1988 and is not recommended to be swapped into street rod applications.

      The 4+3 Overdrive was plagued with many design problems in 1984 to late 1985 cars. The main problems were an underdesigned bearing in the carrier assembly, a direct clutch thrust washer breakage problem, and a pump sealing problem. The carrier bearing failed because of poor bearing design, bad preload, and poor lube to the bearing. This was resolved with GM part number 14105940. It incorporated a heavy duty bearing, and feed oil to the bearing. It was up to the technician to preload it correctly. When a carrier goes bad you will hear bearing noise in direct drive and it will go away in overdrive. Sometimes it can sound like a tire whirring noise. The Direct Clutch thrust washer would break because it could spin in the case. Once broken it would jam in between the overdrive piston and case. This would cause the overdrive to get stuck in two modes and burn up.

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      10-08-2012 06:04 PM #17
      I think Porsche once offered something like what you're describing, called the sportomatic transmission. Not exactly sure how it worked, however..
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      10-08-2012 07:08 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by NashGTI View Post

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      10-08-2012 08:09 PM #19
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      10-08-2012 08:18 PM #20
      Saab tried this too


      Quote from a Finnish website
      Sensonic Transmission: All the control of a manual, but no clutch to pump! I borrowed one of these for a day, they make driving in town traffic really easy since there is no clutch and you just crawl along in first with just the accelerator (gas pedal), but you have all the fun of a manual transmission for scooting round country lanes. To change gear, just ease off on the accelerator and move the stick !!

      Driving the Sensonic for the first time is very strange, you must make a conscious effort to keep your left foot on the floor. There is a great temptation to do something with your left foot, especially the first few times when getting into the car. With luck you will stamp the floor, stamping on the brake pedal when you want to change gear is not recommended !!

      Also you still have to use the handbrake when starting on a hill otherwise the car will roll back. Also if you leave it in gear without moving forward, the dashboard will chime and you will get a polite "DISENGAGE GEAR" warning.

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      10-08-2012 08:45 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by PJA View Post
      I always thought this would be a neat idea, actually. DSG and other similar transmissions already do this, but what I thought could be a novel feature is this:

      - Automatic mode: works the same way it does in DSG

      - Manual mode: The shifter will "unlock" and work through a gate and actually shift into 1st, 2nd, etc. Instead of a paddle, the "shifter" acts as a switch to tell the tranny to shift up or down. Many cars already do this as you can move the shifter sequentially for shifting up and down through the gears. It could work similarly to a video game console's. Since there is no actual linkage to the transmission, the mechanism could be weighted and set up for optimum shift feel and tactile feedback.

      Now, you may not have a third pedal, but at least you're rowing gears. Just a thought.
      I always thought this would be a decent idea. As someone who can no longer physically drive a manual, I do miss rowing the gears.

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      10-08-2012 09:52 PM #22
      You are preaching to the wrong crowd, 99% of US do not know
      how to drive a standard, i just laugh at the excuses though.

      No 3rd pedal, not my car, the buck stops there!

      And the argument, but manumatics/DSG are faster at the track
      holds no value to me, as i have to have fun and enjoy driving
      daily.

      I feel like a 7th gear on highway, and Porsche already has it, heck
      even BMW patented this, so there is hope in the world:
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      10-08-2012 11:10 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Kandiru View Post
      You are preaching to the wrong crowd, 99% of US do not know
      how to drive a standard, i just laugh at the excuses though.

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      10-08-2012 11:32 PM #24
      This would be a car meant for the most indecisive person in the world.

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      10-09-2012 12:23 AM #25
      I'd want a slightly different variation. Something with a switchable torque converter for extreme stop and go traffic. That would remove the worst part of driving with a clutch.
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      never thought once to use my lefty for the brake. sorry in my opinion it is dumb.

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      10-09-2012 12:36 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Tuneman7 View Post
      This would be a car meant for the most indecisive person in the world.
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