Will they ever make a Manual+Automatic transmission in the same car ?

[timmy222]

O.k don't bag me as I don't have any real knowledge on how transmissions work

But will they ever make a Manual+Automatic transmission in the same car
I mean Full manual, as in a clutch pedal. Then say when the wife hops in she could perhaps turn a rotary dial and select which automatic gear she wants. Will this be possible in the future as I feel we are getting closer with semi-automatics and dual-clutch transmissions out today

It would be great to buy a manual again without upsetting the wife

[ToucheTurtle]

[r_fostoria]

Sort of? From the late 30s to the early 50s Chrysler had Fluid Drive available on their cars. It replaced the engine's flywheel with some sort of fluid based thing that worked like an early torque converter but left a standard clutch and manual transmission behind it. This meant that you could stop the car in gear without using the clutch and start up again by just pressing the throttle, but you still had to use the clutch to change gears while moving. It was just a three speed though, so you could just leave it in second and not bother changing gear at all for most normal driving I would imagine.

[patrikman]

I had an auto stick Super Beetle, it was a terrible idea. Not only do you have the usual aircooled VW oil leaks but you get the added bonus of ATF in your driveway/garage at no extra charge. Your funnels shall gather no dust.

[IntrstlarOvrdrve]

Sort of? From the late 30s to the early 50s Chrysler had Fluid Drive available on their cars. It replaced the engine's flywheel with some sort of fluid based thing that worked like an early torque converter but left a standard clutch and manual transmission behind it. This meant that you could stop the car in gear without using the clutch and start up again by just pressing the throttle, but you still had to use the clutch to change gears while moving. It was just a three speed though, so you could just leave it in second and not bother changing gear at all for most normal driving I would imagine.

First thing that came to mind

[GLI Dan]

Modern day DSG, PDK, SMG, etc. is probably as close to the concept as you get. After that it's just unnecessary.

[feels_road]

I think it would be more economical to buy two (used) cars.

[Dubai Vol]

You do not in fact need three legs to drive a stick shift. My wife drives a 5-speed. Teach yours.

[2.0T_Convert]

Modern day DSG, PDK, SMG, etc. is probably as close to the concept as you get. After that it's just unnecessary.

I'm sure these are as close as we will get these days, manuals that will let the computer take over if you fail to shift properly. The idea of a manual/auto that will let the driver over rev it or use an improper gear is too much of a liability.

[worth_fixing]

You do not in fact need three legs to drive a stick shift. My wife drives a 5-speed. Teach yours.

Many won't learn.

Then again, it's their choice, I guess. Kinda sucks if you have to go down to one car.

[sirswank]

if your only car is a manual, you learn PDQ

[Air and water do mix]

I had an auto stick Super Beetle, it was a terrible idea. Not only do you have the usual aircooled VW oil leaks but you get the added bonus of ATF in your driveway/garage at no extra charge. Your funnels shall gather no dust.

I laughed out loud on that one!

[chrismkay3]

the e46 m3's smg is probably as close as you'll get. it is the same transmission as the manual but lacking the 3rd pedal.

[PJA]

I always thought this would be a neat idea, actually. DSG and other similar transmissions already do this, but what I thought could be a novel feature is this:

- Automatic mode: works the same way it does in DSG

- Manual mode: The shifter will "unlock" and work through a gate and actually shift into 1st, 2nd, etc. Instead of a paddle, the "shifter" acts as a switch to tell the tranny to shift up or down. Many cars already do this as you can move the shifter sequentially for shifting up and down through the gears. It could work similarly to a video game console's. Since there is no actual linkage to the transmission, the mechanism could be weighted and set up for optimum shift feel and tactile feedback.

Now, you may not have a third pedal, but at least you're rowing gears. Just a thought.

[Air-over-water]

You do not in fact need three legs to drive a stick shift. My wife drives a 5-speed. Teach yours.

Same here.
Just teach them.

[NashGTI]

Hurst Dual Gate Shifter




Corvette 4+3

This transmission incorporates a Super T10 4 speed with an automatic overdrive. The overdrive can come on in second, third, and fourth gears.... thus 4 + 3! It is only used in Corvettes made in 1984 to 1988 and is not recommended to be swapped into street rod applications.

The 4+3 Overdrive was plagued with many design problems in 1984 to late 1985 cars. The main problems were an underdesigned bearing in the carrier assembly, a direct clutch thrust washer breakage problem, and a pump sealing problem. The carrier bearing failed because of poor bearing design, bad preload, and poor lube to the bearing. This was resolved with GM part number 14105940. It incorporated a heavy duty bearing, and feed oil to the bearing. It was up to the technician to preload it correctly. When a carrier goes bad you will hear bearing noise in direct drive and it will go away in overdrive. Sometimes it can sound like a tire whirring noise. The Direct Clutch thrust washer would break because it could spin in the case. Once broken it would jam in between the overdrive piston and case. This would cause the overdrive to get stuck in two modes and burn up.

[sicksappeal]

I think Porsche once offered something like what you're describing, called the sportomatic transmission. Not exactly sure how it worked, however..

[Jrod511]

Corvette 4+3

Notttttttt quite close at all?

[tiexgrr]

Like this?

[choochoo]

Saab tried this too


Quote from a Finnish website

Sensonic Transmission: All the control of a manual, but no clutch to pump! I borrowed one of these for a day, they make driving in town traffic really easy since there is no clutch and you just crawl along in first with just the accelerator (gas pedal), but you have all the fun of a manual transmission for scooting round country lanes. To change gear, just ease off on the accelerator and move the stick !!

Driving the Sensonic for the first time is very strange, you must make a conscious effort to keep your left foot on the floor. There is a great temptation to do something with your left foot, especially the first few times when getting into the car. With luck you will stamp the floor, stamping on the brake pedal when you want to change gear is not recommended !!

Also you still have to use the handbrake when starting on a hill otherwise the car will roll back. Also if you leave it in gear without moving forward, the dashboard will chime and you will get a polite "DISENGAGE GEAR" warning.

[brennok]

I always thought this would be a neat idea, actually. DSG and other similar transmissions already do this, but what I thought could be a novel feature is this:

- Automatic mode: works the same way it does in DSG

- Manual mode: The shifter will "unlock" and work through a gate and actually shift into 1st, 2nd, etc. Instead of a paddle, the "shifter" acts as a switch to tell the tranny to shift up or down. Many cars already do this as you can move the shifter sequentially for shifting up and down through the gears. It could work similarly to a video game console's. Since there is no actual linkage to the transmission, the mechanism could be weighted and set up for optimum shift feel and tactile feedback.

Now, you may not have a third pedal, but at least you're rowing gears. Just a thought.

I always thought this would be a decent idea. As someone who can no longer physically drive a manual, I do miss rowing the gears.

[Kandiru]

You are preaching to the wrong crowd, 99% of US do not know
how to drive a standard, i just laugh at the excuses though.

No 3rd pedal, not my car, the buck stops there!

And the argument, but manumatics/DSG are faster at the track
holds no value to me, as i have to have fun and enjoy driving
daily.

I feel like a 7th gear on highway, and Porsche already has it, heck
even BMW patented this, so there is hope in the world:

[patrikman]

You are preaching to the wrong crowd, 99% of US do not know
how to drive a standard, i just laugh at the excuses though.

What the ****?

[Tuneman7]

This would be a car meant for the most indecisive person in the world.

[leaftye]

I'd want a slightly different variation. Something with a switchable torque converter for extreme stop and go traffic. That would remove the worst part of driving with a clutch.

[patrikman]

This would be a car meant for the most indecisive person in the world.

Turbio? VadGTI?