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    Thread: Upshifting with Manual Transmission: Which theory is correct?

    1. 10-07-2012 12:46 PM #1
      I've heard two theories, which one is correct?

      Theory #1

      1. Lift foot off gas
      2. Push clutch in
      3. Shift to next gear
      4. Lift foot off clutch
      5. Push foot on gas

      OR

      Theory #2

      1. Push clutch in at same rate as lifting off gas
      2. When foot is completely off gas, shift to next gear
      3. Now do the opposite step 1: Lift clutch pedal off at the same rate as pushing down gas.


      When it comes to numerous Youtube videos/Wikis I've seen both theories explained. I think theory #2 may allow for smoother shifts but theory #1 sounds like it would be easier on the clutch. No matter how gentle you are, in theory #2 it sounds like you would burn up your clutch.

      Of course you would need to do theory #2 when getting into first gear obviously.

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      10-07-2012 12:50 PM #2
      1st option

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      10-07-2012 12:52 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr Miyagi View Post
      1st option

      It would seem to me that beginners start out on the 1st option with the goal of becoming more experienced and getting to the second option.

    4. 10-07-2012 12:53 PM #4
      Try #1 in a Viper and the engine braking will hurt your neck between steps 1 and 2.

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      10-07-2012 12:54 PM #5
      You are over-thinking this. You should do whatever is smoothest. For me, it's closest to #2.
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      10-07-2012 12:55 PM #6
      I always try to modulate both my clutch and accelerator at the same time.

      Method one would be something I would expect a novice to drive like: very stiff, slow and jerky.

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      10-07-2012 12:55 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by 03GTI4Me View Post
      It would seem to me that beginners start out on the 1st option with the goal of becoming more experienced and getting to the second option.
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      10-07-2012 12:59 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by 03GTI4Me View Post
      It would seem to me that beginners start out on the 1st option with the goal of becoming more experienced and getting to the second option.
      Agreed. Mind you, it's never really a full "at the same time", but more like an integration of #2 into #1 to make #1 smoother.

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      10-07-2012 01:05 PM #9
      Yea you are over thinking this, just do what you always do.
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      10-07-2012 01:07 PM #10
      When track driving I do a combo of the two. I lift off the gas, clutch, shift, then as im easing off the clutch I give it gas so when the gear catches it's just a smooth transition.

      On the street I do #1 though. No need to do anything more.

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      10-07-2012 01:09 PM #11
      My style, after roughly 30 or so years of driving, most closely resembles option 2. That puts far less stress on the clutch, what with the whole rev matching thing.

      If you separate every action into steps taken one after the other, instead of together, that wouldn't be a very smooth ride.
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      10-07-2012 01:10 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by WhitePoloCT View Post
      You are over-thinking this. You should do whatever is smoothest. For me, it's closest to #2.
      x2.

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      10-07-2012 01:11 PM #13
      both are wrong.

      just hit the "+" for upshift and "-" for downshift.



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      10-07-2012 01:16 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by TwoLitreVW View Post
      both are wrong.

      just hit the "+" for upshift and "-" for downshift.



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      10-07-2012 01:19 PM #15
      who needs to push in the clutch to take it out of gear?
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      10-07-2012 01:21 PM #16
      Method #1.5 would be correct.
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      10-07-2012 01:23 PM #17
      yesterday i drove my 78 year old aunt and 79 year old uncle in law in my dad's manual camry. I realized option 1 will give you a very smooth shift, especially from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to third.

      in my car, i'll do option 2 occasionally if i'm feeling happy on the gas.

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      10-07-2012 01:46 PM #18
      1. gas to floor
      2. without lifting right foot stomp clutch
      3. bang gear
      4. release clutch
      power shift it son

    19. 10-07-2012 01:52 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by 03GTI4Me View Post
      It would seem to me that beginners start out on the 1st option with the goal of becoming more experienced and getting to the second option.
      x2

      Once you know how to drive you will end up doing #2.

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      10-07-2012 01:54 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by WhitePoloCT View Post
      You are over-thinking this. You should do whatever is smoothest. For me, it's closest to #2.
      x2

      letting off the gas, first, and then onto the clutch pedal will make it jerky. you do it together, it also depends on where your clutch engages and disengages

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      10-07-2012 01:56 PM #21
      When I was racing my GTO a few years ago I just ended up not even letting off the gas, kept the revs up there and when the clutch was in, I shifted quick enough for it to maybe have a 100rpm increase?

      Otherwise I always find option #2 to be smoother depending on the vehicle.
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    22. 10-07-2012 01:59 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by toucci View Post
      Try #1 in a Viper and the engine braking will hurt your neck between steps 1 and 2.

      Try it in a 1992 Acura Integra with a bad IAC valve and its even worse.
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      10-07-2012 02:01 PM #23
      lift & shift, no clutch.

      via RQ1:


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      10-07-2012 02:25 PM #24
      140k using method #2 in a Mitsubishi, still not worn out. You're overthinking this, OP. Go with the smooth option.
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      10-07-2012 02:44 PM #25
      I"m sorry but #1 sounds a lot like asking me if I walk like this.


      1. Lift left foot off ground.
      2. Bend left knee.
      3. Move left leg out in front of you.
      4. Lean forward allowing left foot to touch ground.
      5. Move weight to left leg.
      6. Straighten left leg.
      7. Lift right foot and repeat



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