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    Thread: Opinions on the Lancer Ralliart?

    1. 10-07-2012 07:43 PM #1
      I never hear this car talked about, but everything I read puts it right in the class of the MS3, WRX, and Focus ST performance wise. The interior isn't great but it does have AWD. I always forget they even exist until I see one.

      They also start like $1000 cheaper than the WRX in Canada and have 0% over 72 months. One review called it 90% of an Evo for 75% of the price.

      I remember a few years ago the Ralliart package was just badging but the 09+ seems pretty interesting. I consider them almost sleepers because there is barely anything visual to tell them apart from a upper level regular Lancer other than the badging on the outside.

      What says TCL?

      Last edited by WhistlerYOW; 10-07-2012 at 07:45 PM.

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      10-07-2012 07:50 PM #2
      A friend of mine has one. He traded his 2010 WRX for one.


      He hates it. Handling isn't great, the transmission is boring, interior sucks. The interior is cheap and it rattles, much like a base lancer. Driving position is terrible. The review is backwards, it's 90% LESS EVO.

      My opinion: Get a WRX.

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      10-07-2012 07:55 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by BODH1 View Post
      A friend of mine has one. He traded his 2010 WRX for one.


      He hates it. Handling isn't great, the transmission is boring, interior sucks. The interior is cheap and it rattles, much like a base lancer. Driving position is terrible. The review is backwards, it's 90% LESS EVO.

      My opinion: Get a WRX.
      This. And the engine sounds like bolts in a blender.

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      10-07-2012 07:58 PM #4
      I've driven all 4 cars you mentioned. Take any of the 3 that aren't named "Mitsubishi Ralliart." The optional Rockford Fosgate system is better than any of the stereos in the other 3 cars, but other than that, nothing compels me to buy the Mitsu over any of the 3 competitors.
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      10-07-2012 08:18 PM #5
      My friend has one.

      He's a auditor from a public accounting firm that visits clients. Need a professional car. What's he gets? Brunt orange Lancer Ralliart.

      It's just..ok. Not the fastest thing, makes all the wrong noises, interior is cheap, and looks too aggressive.

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      10-07-2012 08:35 PM #6
      My wife and I picked one up for her. The driving position isn't so bad. The interior is really cheap feeling but well laid out. Lot's of rattles after just a few thousand miles. Simple controls make for easy operation though. We liked the styling and got the car for a couple thousand under MSRP with 0% for 60mo a year ago. The price, financing, styling, and basic performance of the car pushed us in its direction over a MS3 or WRX. The WRX is a more compelling drive but the lancer makes a good daily. The handling is nothing like an Evo. Different steering and suspension entirely so you can't just swap parts and the experience is completely different. And, as hinted above, the 4B11T is just a horrible sounding engine no matter what exhaust you put behind it. However, after a relfash, the car is really quite quick and it only cost us the price of a "boost pill" and a Tactrix cable. A nearly 100hp increase for ~$200 is nice. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the SST but then again I'm a die-hard manual transmission guy. Would I buy another? Probably not. Do I regret my purchase? Nope. There, that's my $.02

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      10-07-2012 08:37 PM #7
      Have never really liked Lancers, still don't. It does look decent though.

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      10-07-2012 08:59 PM #8
      Only buy one if you want a $27k car that's decently quick, AWD and auto.

      That's how my friend got one with those criteria.
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      10-07-2012 10:36 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Splattj1 View Post
      A nearly 100hp increase for ~$200 is nice.
      That much, really? How is that possible?
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      10-07-2012 11:01 PM #10
      I thought the interior of my car was bland and cheap feeling loaded with crummy plastic till I got in my friends new Ralliart, couldn't believe that he paid as much as he did for what you get. Sound System as mentioned is great, didn't feel all that quick, I am interested to see how it does in the snow when it starts flying.
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      10-07-2012 11:41 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      They also start like $1000 cheaper than the WRX in Canada and have 0% over 72 months. One review called it 90% of an Evo for 75% of the price.
      I looked at them when I was shopping and the consensus was that it's the worst bits of the Evo and the Lancer combined. Better to get a used 2008-09 Evo for similar money. WRX is super overpriced up here unfortunately.

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      10-08-2012 06:12 AM #12
      I think I'd rather buy a Kizashi AWD and let the CVT bore me to death. At least I'd drive a quality car.
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    13. 10-08-2012 11:51 AM #13
      I owned a 10 Ralliart Sportback for roughly 8 months. Great car for the price!

      Good things:
      TC-SST is much smoother than DSG/S-Tronic in any situation
      Almost 300hp for about $100 (FREE tune, cable $75 used, Boost pill $20-30)
      EVO turbo setups are cheap, bolt right up and are plentiful.
      Engine sounded great with a 3" RRE exhaust (from outside )
      Mine was issue free the whole time I owned it
      CHEAP to buy and insure!
      Cheap brake and suspension upgrades (not a lot of choices though)
      Razor sharp steering feel
      Lots of compliments about it's looks from random people (TCL will tell you otherwise)
      Dash layout/design
      Lots of back seat space

      Bad things:
      Interior engine sound was loud and thrashy
      I averaged 15-17 mpg street and low to mid 20's on highway (only slightly better if you drive like a granny)
      You must upgrade to coilovers to have a descent ride when lowered
      Paint chipped easily
      Stock brakes are easily overwhelmed when driven hard
      Interior fabric thin and bland
      TC-SST trans will overheat when driven hard (can upgrade to EVO X trans cooler setup or aftermarket)
      Not a huge aftermarket for parts

      You should check out http://clubralliart.com/

      Check out Gates311 thread:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ew-project-car...


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      11-20-2013 02:26 PM #15
      The current Ralliart has basically the Evo IX drivetrain, right? Front + rear LSDs at the WRX price point? I was very excited when this car first came out... then saw only "meh" reviews. I don't think I've heard this car mentioned in years! What happened? Just poor execution? No MT6? No public good-feels about the Ralliart brand compared to the WRX? I like the looks of the sportback.

    16. 11-20-2013 08:23 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by icjefferys View Post
      The current Ralliart has basically the Evo IX drivetrain, right? Front + rear LSDs at the WRX price point? I was very excited when this car first came out... then saw only "meh" reviews. I don't think I've heard this car mentioned in years! What happened? Just poor execution? No MT6? No public good-feels about the Ralliart brand compared to the WRX? I like the looks of the sportback.
      Best thing if for you to go drive one.

      The drivetrain is as you stated. No manual was offered in the Ralliart. The motor/trans is essentially the same as the X with a smaller turbo & intercooler. You can get X power for about $100 with a free tune, boost pill and a cable to hook your laptop up to the OBD port. The X turbo, manifold, downpipe and intercooler bolt right up.
      Last edited by yip; 11-20-2013 at 08:54 PM.

    17. 11-20-2013 08:44 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by yip View Post
      I owned a 10 Ralliart Sportback for roughly 8 months. Great car for the price!

      Good things:
      TC-SST is much smoother than DSG/S-Tronic in any situation
      Almost 300hp for about $100 (FREE tune, cable $75 used, Boost pill $20-30)
      EVO turbo setups are cheap, bolt right up and are plentiful.
      Engine sounded great with a 3" RRE exhaust (from outside )
      Mine was issue free the whole time I owned it
      CHEAP to buy and insure!
      Cheap brake and suspension upgrades (not a lot of choices though)
      Razor sharp steering feel
      Lots of compliments about it's looks from random people (TCL will tell you otherwise)
      Dash layout/design
      Lots of back seat space

      Bad things:
      Interior engine sound was loud and thrashy
      I averaged 15-17 mpg street and low to mid 20's on highway (only slightly better if you drive like a granny)
      You must upgrade to coilovers to have a descent ride when lowered
      Paint chipped easily
      Stock brakes are easily overwhelmed when driven hard
      Interior fabric thin and bland
      TC-SST trans will overheat when driven hard (can upgrade to EVO X trans cooler setup or aftermarket)
      Not a huge aftermarket for parts

      You should check out http://clubralliart.com/

      Check out Gates311 thread:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ew-project-car...


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    18. 11-20-2013 08:48 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      I never hear this car talked about, but everything I read puts it right in the class of the MS3, WRX, and Focus ST performance wise.
      Eh, not exactly.

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      11-20-2013 08:52 PM #19
      Not too refined compared to what else is out there. Needs a major update.

    20. 11-20-2013 11:26 PM #20
      That gas mileage is pretty bad. Worse than my M3. Neat car though.
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      11-21-2013 10:07 AM #21
      Mitsubishi wanted to make it like this:

      WRX STI:WRX::Evo:Ralliart

      They failed.
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    22. 11-21-2013 10:09 AM #22
      Lots of haters ITT

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      11-21-2013 10:23 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by icjefferys View Post
      What happened? Just poor execution? No MT6?
      I think based on what I've read it's these two.

      they de-contented the EVO without much attention given to how the car would perform as a whole.

      it looks like you cant build a new ralliart hatch anymore.

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      11-21-2013 10:43 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by above8k View Post
      Lots of haters ITT
      Looks like lots of people with valid Ralliart negatives ITT.

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      11-21-2013 10:56 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by yip View Post
      I owned a 10 Ralliart Sportback for roughly 8 months. Great car for the price!

      Good things:
      TC-SST is much smoother than DSG/S-Tronic in any situation
      Almost 300hp for about $100 (FREE tune, cable $75 used, Boost pill $20-30)
      EVO turbo setups are cheap, bolt right up and are plentiful.
      Engine sounded great with a 3" RRE exhaust (from outside )
      Mine was issue free the whole time I owned it
      CHEAP to buy and insure!
      Cheap brake and suspension upgrades (not a lot of choices though)
      Razor sharp steering feel
      Lots of compliments about it's looks from random people (TCL will tell you otherwise)
      Dash layout/design
      Lots of back seat space

      Bad things:
      Interior engine sound was loud and thrashy
      I averaged 15-17 mpg street and low to mid 20's on highway (only slightly better if you drive like a granny)
      You must upgrade to coilovers to have a descent ride when lowered
      Paint chipped easily
      Stock brakes are easily overwhelmed when driven hard
      Interior fabric thin and bland
      TC-SST trans will overheat when driven hard (can upgrade to EVO X trans cooler setup or aftermarket)
      Not a huge aftermarket for parts

      You should check out http://clubralliart.com/

      Check out Gates311 thread:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ew-project-car...


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      I loved it, it is better than a wrx, golf r, gti or really any hatchback or wagon I've ever driven. I drove them all back to back at my local VW/Subaru dealer and the best all around was the used Ralliart Sportback. But I guess if you're into trivial things like 6spd manual, no engine noise, non sporty soft ride then it's not for you.

      Only reason I didnt buy it was the fuel efficiency. Figured I mind as well keep my 400whp dd I have now.
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      11-21-2013 11:00 AM #26
      I wrote this a couple years ago if you have a few minutes: http://www.speedsportlife.com/2011/0...ncer-ralliart/

      Short version: Decent car surrounded by better-than-decent competitors.
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    28. 11-21-2013 02:27 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by monsda View Post
      Looks like lots of people with valid Ralliart negatives ITT.
      There are always negatives with every car when comparing it to other similar cars.

      If you wanted a wagon'ish hatch with a dual clutch (TC-SST, DSG etc.) trans with the really good steering feel then the Ralliart Sportback is a good option if not one of the best.

      When I bought mine and compared it to the WRX the only thing I liked better about the WRX was the speed and brakes which also didn't feel all that great like the Ralliart. Comparing interiors, road noise and gas mileage between the two for me was a wash. I wanted something the wife could drive so we needed either an auto or dual clutch auto trans.

      Factor in that you could pick one up for thousands less than a similar year WRX and that you could get EVO power for another $100 and I think it's worth considering.

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      11-23-2013 05:52 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by yip View Post
      There are always negatives with every car when comparing it to other similar cars.

      If you wanted a wagon'ish hatch with a dual clutch (TC-SST, DSG etc.) trans with the really good steering feel then the Ralliart Sportback is a good option if not one of the best.

      When I bought mine and compared it to the WRX the only thing I liked better about the WRX was the speed and brakes which also didn't feel all that great like the Ralliart. Comparing interiors, road noise and gas mileage between the two for me was a wash. I wanted something the wife could drive so we needed either an auto or dual clutch auto trans.

      Factor in that you could pick one up for thousands less than a similar year WRX and that you could get EVO power for another $100 and I think it's worth considering.
      Over a year later, and I still support my original post up by the top.

      WRX wins hands down. My friend, who is sitting right next to me as I type this, still owns his Ralliart after trading in his WRX. He still regrets his decision to this day. Right now he's watching videos of WRX's and waiting for the day he isn't underwater anymore so he can go back to a WRX. Having driven both, I strongly agree with him. The WRX is going to win in every category. Even on the interior, neither car is very great, but the WRX still wins.

      I'm glad you're happy with yours though.

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      11-23-2013 07:57 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin splits View Post
      But I guess if you're into trivial things like 6spd manual

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      11-25-2013 10:13 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by S0RRY View Post
      People complain there's no manual, but if there was only a manual then everyone would complain there's no auto. If there was both, then everyone who bought the manual would regret it and same the other way around. So yes to me 6spd being a deal maker or breaker is trivial, I can appreciate the car for what it is not what I want it to be so I can complain about it.
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      11-25-2013 10:19 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin splits View Post
      People complain there's no manual, but if there was only a manual then everyone would complain there's no auto. If there was both, then everyone who bought the manual would regret it and same the other way around. So yes to me 6spd being a deal maker or breaker is trivial, I can appreciate the car for what it is not what I want it to be so I can complain about it.
      That really just sounds like you're making an argument for no reason. They would never make a manual with no auto for a car like this, and if they had both, people would automatically regret whatever choice they made? Based on what? If you want an auto, that's fine. But that doesn't mean it's a stupid idea to offer a manual in a sporting-oriented sedan. If you appreciate the car, fine, but "because it doesn't come with one" is no reason to not want a manual.
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      11-25-2013 11:10 AM #33
      All the negatives about an Evo like poor refinement and econobox interior but with less power and an automatic type transmission?

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