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      10-08-2012 10:25 AM #36
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      Although the eight-torsion bar suspension was axed, the production 2CV’s suspension was just as capable, if not more so. The super-long travel and ultra soft springing remained, but was now accomplished by two sets of coils springs mounted in cylinders horizontally alongside the platform chassis, and connected to the individually-suspended front and rear wheels via bellcranks and pull rods. That alone would have made a very advanced system.

      But there’s more: the cylinders in which the coils travel is not fixed, but have springs of their own, which allows them to move, thereby creating the first (I believe) active suspension. When the front wheel hits a bump it compresses its spring, but also moves the cylinder forward some, which in turn pre-loads the rear spring. This tends to both keep the 2CV level, despite its ridiculously soft springs, and is effective in controlling front-aft pitching.
      The suspension is not interconnected side-to-side, which does mean the 2CV tends to really lean in corners. And it’s ridiculously easy to rock back and forth sideways, as we used to delight in doing as kids whenever we saw one parked on the street. We just couldn’t believe how soft it was, and how wildly we could rock one.



      Amazingly as it may seem, 2CVs do not tip readily, despite their wild angles in hard cornering. Thanks to a super-low center of gravity, and none of the abrupt transitions that rear-engined and swing-axled cars like the VW and Corvair exhibited, the front-wheel drive 2CV just hangs in there, and its wheels hang down there, as if glued to the pavement. The fact that the 2CV helped pioneer Michelin’s new steel-belted tires only added to its grip. Like so many exotic things French, one has to experience a 2CV to appreciate it properly. It’s an acquired taste, for most.
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      Speaking of, another brilliant aspect to the 2CV is its four doors and room for four adults and a decent trunk. This really sets it apart from all the little micro-cars that were all the rage right after the war (and some well before it); most were little more than motorized sidewalk toys. The 2CV was a tall boy, a CUV a half-century ahead of the times. And erstwhile Chrysler President K T Keller would have been proud of the 2CV’s “father” Pierre-Jules Boulanger, who insisted that its roof be raised because he liked to drive with his hat on.


      And more brilliance inside: the 2CV prototype’s seats were truly hammocks, suspended from the ceiling. BTW, this and so many other aspects of the 2CV’s design was all about weight (and cost) saving. The TPV was planned to be built mostly out of aluminum, but the rising cost of that metal forced a change to steel, and innovative ways to still keep weight down, like the “corrugated” body panels on early versions. The efforts paid off: the 2CV weighs in at around 1200 lbs (560 kg), a phenomenally low weight, given its roominess.


      The production version used “lawn-chair” type seats, with easily replaceable cushions available for $29.95 at every WalMarché in France.


      Here’s how they look in our featured car, which is legally registered as a 1969 model, but looks (mostly, at least) to be more modern than that; probably from the eighties or so, and imported from Belgium.



      Now that’s an instrument panel I can get behind. No touch screens, but plenty to touch.


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      10-08-2012 11:01 AM #38
      A special version of the 2CV was the Sahara for very difficult off-road driving, built from December 1960-1971. This had an extra engine mounted in the rear compartment and both front- and rear-wheel traction. Only 694 Saharas were built. The target markets for this car were French oil companies, the military, and the police.
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      10-08-2012 11:12 AM #39
      I appreciate all the help so far, guys.

      If I do end up with one, there's no way in hell it would be my daily driver because it's too slow and unsafe, as people have mentioned. I'm looking at one as sort of a fun weekend project.

      I want something that's extremely simple to work on, since I'll be doing all the work myself, which is why I'm wanting to steer clear of cars that are somewhat complicated like the DS and SM.
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      10-08-2012 11:35 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by atomicalex View Post
      . Tiny little engine, disc (!) brakes, and seated four.
      not disc brakes... simple drums at all four corners. Inboard drums.





      http://www.citroen-restoration.co.uk/2cv/index.htm

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      from '81 up discs were fitted to the front

      (photo of electric drive conversion)





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      All of the rust, bondo, and patchwork done with old street signs gives them the crash safety of a cake decoration.

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      10-08-2012 12:20 PM #45
      I don't think a lot of us are "hating" the 2CV. But we sure are entertained and provoked to laughter by some of the aspects of this car. Engineering tour de force.... absolutely.

      Hilarity ensues quickly when on the road and brings a smile to the onlooker.

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      It has ultra low miles because it doesn't run most of the time

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      10-08-2012 12:22 PM #46
      Nice Sahara pics! Perversely I've always wanted one, the most complicated version of the world's simplest car.

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      10-08-2012 12:22 PM #47
      I'd say it's a great 1st classic car, just like the Beetle is. The 2CV is simple, yet fun. Easy to work on, easy to drive, comfortable and spacious.
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      So many variants on this theme

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      It has ultra low miles because it doesn't run most of the time

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      10-08-2012 12:36 PM #50
      Did someone mention rust?



      another chassis view





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      Quote Originally Posted by mitch hedberg
      I drive a rental car, I don't know what's going on with it, right? So a lot of times I'll drive for like 10 miles with the emergency brake on. That doesn't say a lot for me, but it really doesn't say a lot for the emergency brake.
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    17. 10-08-2012 01:37 PM #52
      You can also make a Burton out of a 2CV.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RennbahnPolizei View Post
      You can also make a Burton out of a 2CV.
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      10-08-2012 02:34 PM #54
      Seems like these would be at their best on a farm or off-road. Great suspension travel.

      Daily driving? Yikes. (unless you were on easy secondary roads and not in a hurry)

      Hang a tractor warning sign off the back.




      The original prototype 1941

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      10-08-2012 02:36 PM #56
      "Quack!!"



      Quote Originally Posted by David Votoupal
      The car sucked in every way imaginable, that it entered the annals as one of the worst cars ever built. It was shoddily built in a plant where labour relations were atrocious. It rusted like hell, and the aluminium engine had the durability of a soggy potato chip. Few cars could have been so thoroughly bad Despite the "explosion" controversy, the Ford Pinto compared favourably to the Vega, and that's saying something.

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      10-08-2012 02:46 PM #57
      do it!
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      10-08-2012 03:02 PM #59
      "fragile"

      Drive carefully.

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      Quote Originally Posted by McBanagon View Post
      It's like the prototype came out of the design studio and someone said, "Christ on a crutch, this is what our design team came up with?? A Camry???" And the front and rear fascia team said, "Not for long!"

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      10-08-2012 03:21 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Barefoot_ View Post
      "fragile"

      Drive carefully.
      I really don't think anyone thinks that these things are at all safe. And I mean, no offense, but with two old cars yourself, why would you say something like that?
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      10-08-2012 03:35 PM #62
      I daily drive a Fiat 126 with 26hp and I've been overtaken by a 2CV on a twisty b-road. Ok, that thing hat what looked like 185 width tyres, and it was sitting low, but it was friggin'awesome The 4 cylinder air-cooled boxer engine out of the Citroen GS fits with some mods. The car is so pure genious it hurts...



      I'd say go for it. In germany there are stainless steel chassis available for less than 1000€. I don't know how traffic is in the US, but as Mr. Air and Water said, if you know the highway is empty I wouldn't mind. I have never had problems with my Fiat; the opposite is the case, people overtaking me (or being overtaken) can't help but smile Ok, in case of a crash chances to survive will be bad, but it's so much fun. And usually with such a car you drive very defensive and attentive. At least that's what happened to me.
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      10-08-2012 03:39 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by PJA View Post
      I really don't think anyone thinks that these things are at all safe. And I mean, no offense, but with two old cars yourself, why would you say something like that?
      No offense taken. And yes, my cars certainly aren't "safe" in a crash. But there is at least SOME difference between my 2200 pound 510 and this 1200 pound featherweight.

      Eh... the 1700 pound Rabbit? Not so much. But I think the comment is a reasonable one for all the small early cars.

      And I was piggybacking on the following comment on page one:



      Quote Originally Posted by chrismkay3 View Post
      for a main driver wouldn't you want to consider safety, even slightly. a 2CV will probably use your torso for a crumple zone in a crash. maybe have one for sunday morning drives when traffic is light, but not for an every day driver...

      Nice overview of the 2CV:

      The 2cv is probably just as relevant today as it was when Pierre Boulanger laid out the criteria for the 2cv in 1936. It must be a simple design, capable of driving thirty MPH across plowed fields with a cargo of eggs. It must be able to carry five passengers and of course be comfortable.

      The original concept was for an umbrella on wheels and to keep the expense down, must be built with a minimum of materials. For cheap operation it meant a small engine and of course that would mean it had to be very lightweight.
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      It's not hard to tell when a driver is texting. If I can do it while driving a manual, eating a cheeseburger AND loading a shotgun... the average driver, who is admittedly much smarter, and more coordinated than me, should be capable of seeing it too.

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    30. 10-08-2012 04:32 PM #65
      Located in Scottsdale, AZ I LOVE my 2cv but my life has changed and I am willing to part with it.
      7,500 usd respond here if you are interested

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      10-08-2012 04:53 PM #66
      Just don't take anyone with you when there are steep road. Depending on the inclination, you'll end up pushing the car or crawling up the hill while your passengers go on foot (this happened with a 435cc 2CV 4).

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      10-08-2012 06:03 PM #67
      They certainly have a certain appeal to them. Even in stripped down form








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      10-08-2012 10:23 PM #68
      The silver one in Hand Cannon's post would be great and has all the early details I like. For the OP, beware that many 2CVs in the US are fraudulently registered as something they are not. THere are many Charlestons, (made in 90 or 91) that show up with 60s and 70s as their year. DOT problem and maybe a long term headache for a buyer. Just because it isn't a Skyline doesn't mean that you don't have to worry about it.

      And if they won't go up a hill loaded, turn around and back up!

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      10-08-2012 10:24 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by bill bach View Post
      Located in Scottsdale, AZ I LOVE my 2cv but my life has changed and I am willing to part with it.
      7,500 usd respond here if you are interested
      Did I miss pictures of your 2cv earlier in this thread?

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