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    Thread: The 'you need an E36' thread


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      10-10-2012 12:50 AM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by gtivr4 View Post
      I just bought a nicely kept 1997 M3 Sedan. Its in amazingly good shape, never seen a winter despite living all of its life in Vermont. Everything except the radio works, has a few light mods (drilled rotors, bilstein shocks, wheels). Only issue I had originally is that its an automatic, but for my purposes (daily driver in city traffic, occasional baby hauler), I kind of like having it. Has 136k miles, and I bought it for $5900, which as far as I can tell is a very decent price.
      If you're wondering why it rides like ****, switch out the Bilstein shocks asap for some Koni Sports or OEM ones (Sachs/Boge only, which are very inexpensive at autohausaz.com).
      Last edited by Charlie84; 10-10-2012 at 12:54 AM.

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      10-10-2012 02:39 AM #79
      Still looking for a reason to need an E36
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      ...cretinx tried to touch on this point above but if you check his post history it is fairly easy to tell that he is an imbecile. I have doubts that he can drive a nail, much less a car.

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      10-10-2012 12:00 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by Charlie84 View Post
      If you're wondering why it rides like ****, switch out the Bilstein shocks asap for some Koni Sports or OEM ones (Sachs/Boge only, which are very inexpensive at autohausaz.com).
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      10-10-2012 12:12 PM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by Charlie84 View Post
      If you're wondering why it rides like ****, switch out the Bilstein shocks asap for some Koni Sports or OEM ones (Sachs/Boge only, which are very inexpensive at autohausaz.com).
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      The valving on the Bilsteins Sports for E36s is extremely aggressive (I think in bump damping). They are notorious in the E36 community for delivering an unjustifiably harsh ride quality. So, I rail against them every chance I get.

    8. 10-10-2012 12:17 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by Charlie84 View Post
      The valving on the Bilsteins Sports for E36s is extremely aggressive (I think in bump damping). They are notorious in the E36 community for delivering an unjustifiably harsh ride quality. So, I rail against them every chance I get.
      I've yet to ride in sports, only rode in an E36 with PSS or PSS9's once and they rode fine. But that's a different damper altogether.
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      10-10-2012 01:34 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by 20aeman View Post
      I'd prefer the more attractive version:

      I would rather have an m powered/converted Ti.i find them more attractive, practical, and exclusive then an m coupe.



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      10-10-2012 01:40 PM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by Charlie84 View Post
      The valving on the Bilsteins Sports for E36s is extremely aggressive (I think in bump damping). They are notorious in the E36 community for delivering an unjustifiably harsh ride quality. So, I rail against them every chance I get.
      Good to know. I'll probably go H&R Cup Kit or FK Coilovers

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      Quote Originally Posted by Charlie84 View Post
      ^^^Perfection.

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    12. 10-10-2012 03:53 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
      Good to know. I'll probably go H&R Cup Kit or FK Coilovers
      What car are you getting Chapel? There are better options in my opinion...

      depends on what you want to achieve, let's hear your requirements
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      10-10-2012 04:03 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by Charlie84 View Post
      The valving on the Bilsteins Sports for E36s is extremely aggressive (I think in bump damping). They are notorious in the E36 community for delivering an unjustifiably harsh ride quality. So, I rail against them every chance I get.
      For everyone's awareness, there's no difference in valving between Bilstein Sports and Bilstein HD's. Sports are built with a shorter piston so they work in conjunction with lowering springs.


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      10-10-2012 04:13 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by danny_16v View Post
      What car are you getting Chapel? There are better options in my opinion...

      depends on what you want to achieve, let's hear your requirements
      E36 328i
      Requirements? a bit lower. a bit sportier. not terrible to drive daily.

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      10-10-2012 04:20 PM #91
      e36's were the cars of my youth. Pretty sure I had my first boner seeing a technoviolet e36 M3.

      This thread is awesome!

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      10-10-2012 04:31 PM #92
      I love mine

      as of today its ready for paint all stripped just a shell . I still have to pull all the wires
      still in the air on the color but Porsche macadamia metallic is in the top 5

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      10-10-2012 04:39 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Dave View Post
      For everyone's awareness, there's no difference in valving between Bilstein Sports and Bilstein HD's. Sports are built with a shorter piston so they work in conjunction with lowering springs.
      I learned this just today! Whatever the exact source, be it valving, bump-stops or overall lack of travel, the Bilstein Sports ride terribly with just about any spring combo. I've never heard of anyone whose figured out how to get them to ride nicely without modifying the shock itself in some what.

    18. 10-10-2012 04:40 PM #94
      Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Dave View Post
      For everyone's awareness, there's no difference in valving between Bilstein Sports and Bilstein HD's. Sports are built with a shorter piston so they work in conjunction with lowering springs.


      Bilstein HD's aren't made for the E36 M3 apparently... only the standard E36. However you could use the HD's by converting to non-M style front sway bar end links, where the end links of the sway bar mount to the control arm instead of the front strut. I've done this on my M3... it's actually kind of an upgrade as the non-M front bar is thicker than the M3 front bar.

      The problem seems to be that because of the shorter travel length the shocks seem to hit the internal bump stops more often... Bisltein apparently made a revision to the Bilstein sport... and some have even opened them up to shorten the bump stops themselves.

      Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
      E36 328i
      Requirements? a bit lower. a bit sportier. not terrible to drive daily.
      You forgot the big one... Price?
      If we're including all of the options (including the pricey ones)...

      The most important and probably best modification on these E36's is getting camber plates or getting some camber for the front... you could also flip 96-99 strut hats left to right to gain a good amount of camber.

      H&R Sports/Eibach/Vogland Club Sports + Koni adjustables (you can get old Porsche 911 rears which actually have top adjustment via knob, instead of getting the 'adjustable bodies' which you'd have to remove the shock to adjust. TCKline and Ground Control have both used these as the 911's rear forces etc are similar to the E36)

      Bilstien PSS or PSS9... progressive springs, pretty good on the street, ok for track, but you'd probably want some linear rates.

      TcKline SA's... best option for coilovers using Koni's IMO, best valving, great support, well known quantity. You can run springs up to 700# but anymore than that and they won't last long or you'd have to get Double Adjustables.

      TRM coilovers... valve, tested, designed specifically for E36. Can handle spring rates up to 1000# and as low as 450#, comes with camber plates and rear shock mounts, monotube, adjustable clicks, adjusts rebound/compression together with a split. Separate height/preload adjustment. I have these on my car and even running almost double the spring rates of my old Tein's, they actually ride better.

      JRZ RS1... $$$ supposed to be really good though
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      10-10-2012 05:03 PM #95
      yeah, I was thinking like $600...

    20. 10-10-2012 05:05 PM #96
      springs and Konis it is!
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      10-10-2012 05:10 PM #97
      Quote Originally Posted by danny_16v View Post
      springs and Konis it is!
      any suggestion on springs?
      what's "wrong" with the H&R Cup Kit?

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      10-10-2012 06:38 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
      any suggestion on springs?
      what's "wrong" with the H&R Cup Kit?
      H&R OE Sports w/ Koni Yellows are a well-liked separate spring/shock combination.

      The OE Sports are the same spring rate as the H&R Sports, but don't lower the car as much. This is a good thing, as the stock springs are already getting pretty darn close to how low you can take the E36 before the effects are detrimental.

      But simply refreshing the suspension with OE components will amaze you.

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      10-10-2012 06:53 PM #99
      no e30, no care.



      but seriously i would fancy an e36 m3 coupe.. s54/6 speed swapped (it would sit nicely next to my s52 e30)

    24. 10-10-2012 08:13 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by DrivinAW8 View Post
      no e30, no care.



      but seriously i would fancy an e36 m3 coupe.. s54/6 speed swapped (it would sit nicely next to my s52 e30)

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