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    Thread: Porsche 911 Carrera S nails down 7:37.9 'Ring time

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      10-08-2012 09:42 AM #1
      The run took place on August 28, but Porsche only published the video this week. After checking recorded lap times posted on Wikipedia, the 911's run was faster than independent tests of the Lexus LFA, Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, Nissan GT-R and Ferrari 458 Italia (which all posted times of 7:38).


      http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/07/p...-time-w-video/


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      10-08-2012 09:46 AM #2
      after checking recorded lap times posted on wikipedia, the 911's run was faster than independent tests of the lexus lfa, chevrolet corvette zr1, nissan gt-r and ferrari 458 italia (which all posted times of 7:38).
      lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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      10-08-2012 09:49 AM #3
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      10-08-2012 09:53 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by JustinCSVT View Post
      lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
      Didn't the ZR1 post 7:24? and the Z07 7:22? Not independent testing, but it doesn't make sense for Porsche to compare their result to independent testing either.


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      10-08-2012 09:55 AM #5
      I'm calling BS/ringer right now.

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      10-08-2012 10:07 AM #6
      Yeah that statement in itself is pretty funny....

      Fast car though, nonetheless, considering how it compares to Porsche's own number with the older GT3/Turbo and whatnot..

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      This car makes a mediocre driver like me look good on a track, makes sense it would make a great driver look super human. The car is that good.

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      10-08-2012 10:18 AM #9
      Can't wait to see what the GT3/RS can do!!!

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      10-08-2012 10:26 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by JustinCSVT View Post
      lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
      It is true...

      Though I fundamentally disagree with comparing factory backed times to independent times. I don't think it's apples to apples.

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      10-08-2012 10:35 AM #11
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      10-08-2012 10:51 AM #12
      Take notes everyone. Step one to a fast ring time is throwing your gum out the window. 1 second improvement if you can hit the corner worker without even looking.
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      10-08-2012 10:55 AM #13
      Something I just noticed...

      The timer in the lower right hand corner doesn't start until 0:54 into the video. Look at where the car is on the map in the upper left corner (car is going into a lefthand corner).

      At 8:39 in the video the timer stops. According to the map in the upper left corner, the car still hasn't reached the lefthand corner it started from. The timer stops before the point it started from, thereby reducing the lap time by a few seconds.

      Does anyone know if the Porsche is using an accepted timing methodology for this lap? (i.e., do these runs, regardless of what car is being timed, start at that lefthand corner, but end just before it?).

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      10-08-2012 10:56 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Nubbin View Post
      Cut slicks.
      Watching the video ................... 1.5 Gs on the flat turns.... suspicious.
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      10-08-2012 10:59 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by mariok2006 View Post
      Didn't the ZR1 post 7:24? and the Z07 7:22? Not independent testing, but it doesn't make sense for Porsche to compare their result to independent testing either.
      The ZR1 posted a 7:19 I think. The GT-R was in the mid to low 7:20's as well. I'd imagine the 458 is in that area too.

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      10-08-2012 11:01 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by SmokinDiesel View Post
      Something I just noticed...

      The timer in the lower right hand corner doesn't start until 0:54 into the video. Look at where the car is on the map in the upper left corner (car is going into a lefthand corner).

      At 8:39 in the video the timer stops. According to the map in the upper left corner, the car still hasn't reached the lefthand corner it started from. The timer stops before the point it started from, thereby reducing the lap time by a few seconds.

      Does anyone know if the Porsche is using an accepted timing methodology for this lap? (i.e., do these runs, regardless of what car is being timed, start at that lefthand corner, but end just before it?).
      Haha ... yes. Most videos I've watched have the start/end at the white line where the timer stopped in this one. This video is pretty fishy.
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      10-08-2012 11:13 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by SmokinDiesel View Post
      Something I just noticed...

      The timer in the lower right hand corner doesn't start until 0:54 into the video. Look at where the car is on the map in the upper left corner (car is going into a lefthand corner).

      At 8:39 in the video the timer stops. According to the map in the upper left corner, the car still hasn't reached the lefthand corner it started from. The timer stops before the point it started from, thereby reducing the lap time by a few seconds.

      Does anyone know if the Porsche is using an accepted timing methodology for this lap? (i.e., do these runs, regardless of what car is being timed, start at that lefthand corner, but end just before it?).
      Quote Originally Posted by curvedinfinity View Post
      Haha ... yes. Most videos I've watched have the start/end at the white line where the timer stopped in this one. This video is pretty fishy.
      You mean just like the ZR1 video????? Don't look at the overlay, look at the actual track and see where time starts/stops.

      Quote Originally Posted by JustinCSVT View Post
      The ZR1 posted a 7:19 I think. The GT-R was in the mid to low 7:20's as well. I'd imagine the 458 is in that area too.
      7:26.4



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      10-08-2012 11:15 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by curvedinfinity View Post
      Watching the video ................... 1.5 Gs on the flat turns.... suspicious.
      Meh, my crapbox BMW could exceed 1.1g on street tires almost 10 years ago. I have no doubt a 991 could get up there on modern rubber.




    19. 10-08-2012 11:21 AM #19
      Is this about the 997 or the 991?

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      10-08-2012 11:21 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by SmokinDiesel View Post
      Something I just noticed...

      The timer in the lower right hand corner doesn't start until 0:54 into the video. Look at where the car is on the map in the upper left corner (car is going into a lefthand corner).

      At 8:39 in the video the timer stops. According to the map in the upper left corner, the car still hasn't reached the lefthand corner it started from. The timer stops before the point it started from, thereby reducing the lap time by a few seconds.

      Does anyone know if the Porsche is using an accepted timing methodology for this lap? (i.e., do these runs, regardless of what car is being timed, start at that lefthand corner, but end just before it?).
      That's normal. The start and finish aren't in the same place due to where the GP track intersects the Nordschleife. Watch any other 'ring video (like the ZR-1 video just above) and you'll see the same thing.

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      10-08-2012 11:22 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      That's normal. The start and finish aren't in the same place due to where the GP track intersects the Nordschleife. Watch any other 'ring video (like the ZR-1 video just above) and you'll see the same thing.

      No, you're wrong.



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      10-08-2012 11:26 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post

      7:26.4
      7:19



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      10-08-2012 11:27 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      No, you're wrong.




      Given the amount of hate slung around when other mfg's announce 'ring times, I guess it's only fair.

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      10-08-2012 11:28 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      That's normal. The start and finish aren't in the same place due to where the GP track intersects the Nordschleife. Watch any other 'ring video (like the ZR-1 video just above) and you'll see the same thing.
      He's right ... never noticed this before.
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    25. 10-08-2012 11:30 AM #25
      the 991 chassis is magnificent. That time with "only" 400ish hp is outstanding.

      GT versions will be viciously fast.

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      10-08-2012 11:31 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by mariok2006 View Post
      7:19
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      Interesting... I wonder why GM even posted the other one?

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      10-08-2012 11:40 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Interesting... I wonder why GM even posted the other one?
      The 7:26 time was done around when the car came out. The 7:19 time was done when the Corvette got new tires as a factory option (read: street legal race tire).


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      10-08-2012 11:48 AM #28
      Not to be "that guy" but the drivers driving style was a little rough.

      As in, he could have gotten a better time i suspect by being a bit less stabby on the throttle (you actually hear/see him jab at the throttle).

      Not something I've seen other professional drivers do, and something I've always been taught not to do.

      Other than that, its always nice seeing a ring video.

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      10-08-2012 11:51 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by mariok2006 View Post
      The 7:26 time was done around when the car came out. The 7:19 time was done when the Corvette got new tires as a factory option (read: street legal race tire).

      Gotcha.

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      10-08-2012 12:28 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Swapped6n View Post
      Not to be "that guy" but the drivers driving style was a little rough.

      As in, he could have gotten a better time i suspect by being a bit less stabby on the throttle (you actually hear/see him jab at the throttle).

      Not something I've seen other professional drivers do, and something I've always been taught not to do.

      Other than that, its always nice seeing a ring video.
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    32. 10-08-2012 12:58 PM #32
      For a Company which has publicly stated they don't put much emphasis on Ring times back when they were getting their asses handed to them by the Corvette and GTR they sure seem to do a lot of testing in the ring and trow it in every one's face when they do well. Also why bring up independent times when you are doing in-house testing? For those the times of the vehicles they mentioned are as follows?

      LFA - 7:14
      ZR1 - 7:19
      GTR - 7:24 (damp track)
      Italia - 7:32

      ACR - 7:12

      For the record that's an amazing time for the Carrera S, I imagine the GT3, 911 Turbo and GT2 will be monsters.

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      10-08-2012 01:23 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by koko12 View Post
      For a Company which has publicly stated they don't put much emphasis on Ring times back when they were getting their asses handed to them by the Corvette and GTR they sure seem to do a lot of testing in the ring and trow it in every one's face when they do well. Also why bring up independent times when you are doing in-house testing? For those the times of the vehicles they mentioned are as follows?

      LFA - 7:14
      ZR1 - 7:19
      GTR - 7:24 (damp track)
      Italia - 7:32

      ACR - 7:12

      For the record that's an amazing time for the Carrera S, I imagine the GT3, 911 Turbo and GT2 will be monsters.
      ...so people really aren't noticing that the comparisons are made by some bull**** autoblog writer, and not Porsche?

      Porsche has been testing there for decades and has never discounted the importance of doing so, so I'm not sure of what you're trying to say.

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      I keep trying to make the numbers work so I can justify buying a new 991. Argh, still too rich for my blood. May have to wait another year or so to get a used one.

    35. 10-08-2012 01:40 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      ...so people really aren't noticing that the comparisons are made by some bull**** autoblog writer, and not Porsche?

      Porsche has been testing there for decades and has never discounted the importance of doing so, so I'm not sure of what you're trying to say.

      IOW - TCL, being TCL.

      Yes the comparison was made by autoblog, but the run and times provided were made by porsche and for publicity sake. The car is already in dealers lots, so it's not like they are doing these runs for development sake.

      what I'm trying to say is Porsche has publicly stated they don't put too much attention to ring times which is BS because their actions show otherwise. As you said they've been testing and running the ring for decades. It's like saying "I exercise and eat healthy every day but i don't care about fitness." Personally I think it's great since no other track in the world has as many variations and allows for a car to be fine tuned to do well in almost any situation in the real world.

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