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    Thread: Aftermarket Clutch Disk With Stock Pressure Plate and Flywheel?

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      10-08-2012 11:06 AM #1
      Has anyone upgraded just the clutch friction disk and left the stock pressure plate and flywheel in place? It looks like Southbend sells just the friction disk for the TSI folks (seen here) but I don't see anything similar for the FSI/R. I'd like to stay away from a single mass flywheel or a lightweight flywheel if possible as noise is a concern and the car is a daily above anything else.

      Anyone gone down this road yet?

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      10-09-2012 11:26 AM #2
      Bueller.. No one going with just a disk?

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      10-09-2012 11:54 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Bueller.. No one going with just a disk?
      Hey dude, im interested in this also. Just curious why only the clutch disk?
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      10-09-2012 12:04 PM #4
      I havent picked through this in awhile but I believe the Golf R TFSI motor has the same tranny with possibly just an upgrade SACHS disk?? Should work just fine but correct me if im wrong. Im sure Ill be barking up the new clutch tree within the year as I just went Stage 2+

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      10-09-2012 02:52 PM #5
      I don't get why people hate on dual mass flywheels. I beat the ever living crap out the one in my 24v vr6. Never had a problem. There were people pushing 400+ whp without a problem.

      When I am.forced to replace or upgrade, I'll be replacing the disc and pressure plate. Why? The disc isn't the only part involved in supporting the power. The pressure plate is what "clamps" it. Sobas far as ime concerned, you'll burn a better disc probably almost as quick as stock with a stock pressure plate.

      The stock clutch feels mushier than fresh dog crap, so I doubt even a much strong pressure plate would make clutching much more of a chore.

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      10-10-2012 11:32 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Medic! View Post
      Hey dude, im interested in this also. Just curious why only the clutch disk?
      Partly cost but mostly I'd like to keep the sound down as much as possible. I've heard a few DXD stg3 daily's on youtube and they chatter quite a bit. I'd like to avoid as much of that as possible.

      Quote Originally Posted by Boobslappy View Post
      I havent picked through this in awhile but I believe the Golf R TFSI motor has the same tranny with possibly just an upgrade SACHS disk?? Should work just fine but correct me if im wrong. Im sure Ill be barking up the new clutch tree within the year as I just went Stage 2+

      http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43658
      That's the same disc I linked in my first post. No one has actually confirmed as far as I can tell that the TSI and FSI share the same parts as far as that clutch disk is concerned.
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRon View Post
      I don't get why people hate on dual mass flywheels. I beat the ever living crap out the one in my 24v vr6. Never had a problem. There were people pushing 400+ whp without a problem.

      When I am.forced to replace or upgrade, I'll be replacing the disc and pressure plate. Why? The disc isn't the only part involved in supporting the power. The pressure plate is what "clamps" it. Sobas far as ime concerned, you'll burn a better disc probably almost as quick as stock with a stock pressure plate.

      The stock clutch feels mushier than fresh dog crap, so I doubt even a much strong pressure plate would make clutching much more of a chore.

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      I've seen the same thing mentioned by another member here, the pp being the issue, which does have me thinking. I've also heard the stock pp is good for 400tq. One thing is for sure, the pp in my car doesn't seem to be rated that high!

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      10-10-2012 12:30 PM #7
      I've been looking at the Sachs performance clutch for the R.
      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...::2_6_806.html

      about $800 and claims similar to factory feel and up to 405 ft/lbs TQ

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      10-10-2012 12:54 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by BigmountainVMD View Post
      I've been looking at the Sachs performance clutch for the R.
      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...::2_6_806.html

      about $800 and claims similar to factory feel and up to 405 ft/lbs TQ
      Not sure if this is our car or not. If it is there's a few options from them. The kit is about 730 US shipped.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...6_806_807.html

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      10-10-2012 06:35 PM #9
      I was a bit confused with the 3 different Golf R options... they all seem to offer the same thing though.

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      10-10-2012 06:43 PM #10
      th edifference is the amount of torque that they are good for. one is for mid 300's to 400. one is for 400-450 and one is for over 450.

      i have been looking into this for my car and i am stage 2+, so i am going to go a little over my current set up so I can add more power later and not have to upgrade the clutch again

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      10-11-2012 05:34 PM #11
      I have a note in to SRE to see how their clutch disc and pressure plate option feels and sounds compared to stock.

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      10-13-2012 03:26 PM #12
      What I want to know is, can our stock flywheel take the power? I've seen reports of cracked clutchs and cracked flywheels on the Golf R's. Can we still use the Dual mass or are we just asking for trouble?

      Also, aren't some of us on LUK clutchs? Would this Sachs SRE option work for us?
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      10-13-2012 09:32 PM #13
      I heard back from SRE and their kits work fine with our car. When I asked about retaining the DMF they said not an issue and still isn't the weak point in the system as their updated rigid couch disk is still organic.

      Not sure what to say about those that have had issues with the OEM flywheel other than most issues seem to be around the clutch disk and pressure plate.

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      10-13-2012 10:08 PM #14
      That's good to know. I actually experienced some slippage for the first time in 5th gear today... I'm only 1+ as well.

      This is from the other forum regarding Sachs SRE options for the GTI. They speak of the minimal chatter of the single mass flywheel, TQ rating of the clutch, and pedal feel.

      http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46971
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      10-14-2012 03:14 AM #15
      So, if we were to order the clutch kit and stick with the DMF, would it be best to buy a new one with our cars?
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      10-15-2012 12:33 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Rebellionelite View Post
      So, if we were to order the clutch kit and stick with the DMF, would it be best to buy a new one with our cars?
      Good question. I'm guessing from what I've read elsewhere that if the OEM flywheel is in good shape it shouldn't need to be replaced or resurfaced. I'm not sure on the cost of the OEM flywheel but it might make sense to replace no matter what given the amount of labor required to get back in there later on.

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      10-15-2012 02:34 PM #17
      Dmf cannot be resurfaced. Replace it if its shot, run it if it's not.

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      10-24-2012 02:12 PM #18
      Ordered the SRE clutch kit. I'll let you know how it goes.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...h-Kit::85.html

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      10-24-2012 04:28 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Ordered the SRE clutch kit. I'll let you know how it goes.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...h-Kit::85.html
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      10-24-2012 04:40 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Ordered the SRE clutch kit. I'll let you know how it goes.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...h-Kit::85.html
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    22. 10-24-2012 04:59 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Ordered the SRE clutch kit. I'll let you know how it goes.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...h-Kit::85.html
      So you ordered it for LUK flywheel. Sachs have two versions of this kit- one for Sachs and one for LUK. So far I could get information on a single R only in terms of which flywheel it came with and it had a LUK. I've been planning to order this but having two different flywheel versions kept me puzzled. Let us know when you install it whether it fits your R.

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      10-24-2012 08:17 PM #23
      Nice, looking forward to a review.

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      10-30-2012 10:22 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by BC R View Post
      So you ordered it for LUK flywheel. Sachs have two versions of this kit- one for Sachs and one for LUK. So far I could get information on a single R only in terms of which flywheel it came with and it had a LUK. I've been planning to order this but having two different flywheel versions kept me puzzled. Let us know when you install it whether it fits your R.
      According to SRE their kit is compatible with all R engine codes. From the research I did on the SRE site the kit does appear to be for the LUK flywheel.

      The parts arrived yesterday and the car was dropped off this morning for the swap. Here's the pics of the SRE parts. I tried to get all the part numbers and markings. If you need any clarification let me know. Pics of the OEM parts to follow.











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      10-30-2012 03:58 PM #26
      My mk4 Sachs power clutch started out feeling lighter than stock but over time ended up being heavier. Not sure why it changed so much over time. Can't wait to hear your report.
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    26. 10-30-2012 08:31 PM #27
      How does it drive after the swap?

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      10-30-2012 09:21 PM #28
      I really want this. I'm tired of babying my car and worrying about the clutch.

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      10-30-2012 09:46 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by BC R View Post
      How does it drive after the swap?
      Nothing to report yet. The tech doing the swap is taking his time so they put me in a loaner, a 2012 Beetle. It's sweet.

      I did talk to the tech when I picked up the rental and he said the OEM flywheel, disk and pressure plate looked very good and was surprised since I told him it was starting to slip. I think me flashing back to stock as soon as I felt slip and taking it easy until I could swap parts helped.

      As far as the install of the actual clutch went I was told the holes on the pressure plate that the pins slide on to needed to be made just a hair larger. Everything else seemed to go per norm.

      Completely unrelated but during the dismantling process they found the top half of a 3/8 inch ratchet wedged in between some engine parts. When I dropped the car off I told them I had a strange rattle every now and then. Looks like they may have found it.

      .. No, it wasn't my ratchet.

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      10-31-2012 06:04 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Nothing to report yet. The tech doing the swap is taking his time so they put me in a loaner, a 2012 Beetle. It's sweet.

      I did talk to the tech when I picked up the rental and he said the OEM flywheel, disk and pressure plate looked very good and was surprised since I told him it was starting to slip. I think me flashing back to stock as soon as I felt slip and taking it easy until I could swap parts helped.

      As far as the install of the actual clutch went I was told the holes on the pressure plate that the pins slide on to needed to be made just a hair larger. Everything else seemed to go per norm.

      Completely unrelated but during the dismantling process they found the top half of a 3/8 inch ratchet wedged in between some engine parts. When I dropped the car off I told them I had a strange rattle every now and then. Looks like they may have found it.

      .. No, it wasn't my ratchet.
      So what was included in this kit? The clutch and the pressure plate?
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      10-31-2012 08:16 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Rebellionelite View Post
      So what was included in this kit? The clutch and the pressure plate?
      Correct.



      Pics of the OEM parts are below.

      Initial reaction on the 25 mile drive home was this.

      Pedal feel: It definitely requires more force to push the pedal to the floor. Guessing I'd say a good 25+% more effort is required. The engagement point is very close to the floor now compared to the OEM clutch which was much closer to the end of the pedal travel.

      Engagement: The initial engagement is more abrupt compared to OEM with more finesse required to slip/feather the clutch to get started. The amount of finesse seemed to decrease the more I stop and go'd. I'm guessing with time this will get better.

      Learning when and how to shift was a bit tricky and for the first 10 miles or so I was always lurching when shifting. The last 5 miles felt much better and I expect that to get better with break-in as well.

      Noise: Very happy to report there's virtually no added noise when in neutral and the clutch isn't depressed. There's no clacking, or TDI sound if you will, coming from the clutch area but I can ever so faintly hear the clutch start/stop spinning in my garage if I have the window down or I'm outside the car (still in the garage) with the door open pushing the clutch in and out. On the road I heard no added noise when stopped at a red light with the clutch out.

      Noise on decel seems to have increased slightly. I also noticed a bit more noise if you are in neutral and you rev it a bit as the rpms drop past 1000 and settle. I'd describe it as a slight shudder. Reving in neutral is the only time I heard it.

      Overall driving impressions: It felt solid, very solid. I've seen people say they thought their car put down power better after clutch upgrades, even in RPM ranges that didn't slip before, and I was left feeling the same thing. I'd prefer the engagement point to be a bit higher in the travel but it's not horrible.

      I plan to take it easy on the clutch for a couple of weeks. I'll update this thread with how things are shaping up after it's had time to break-in.















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      10-31-2012 09:27 PM #33
      What's book labor on something like this?

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      10-31-2012 09:38 PM #34
      Happy to hear you are enjoying the new clutch. I'm curious if anything can be done to reduce the pedal travel.

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      10-31-2012 09:44 PM #35
      Does anyone know the cost on a new Dual Mass Flywheel?
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