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    Thread: Aftermarket Clutch Disk With Stock Pressure Plate and Flywheel?

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      10-08-2012 10:06 AM #1
      Has anyone upgraded just the clutch friction disk and left the stock pressure plate and flywheel in place? It looks like Southbend sells just the friction disk for the TSI folks (seen here) but I don't see anything similar for the FSI/R. I'd like to stay away from a single mass flywheel or a lightweight flywheel if possible as noise is a concern and the car is a daily above anything else.

      Anyone gone down this road yet?

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      10-09-2012 10:26 AM #2
      Bueller.. No one going with just a disk?

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      10-09-2012 10:54 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Bueller.. No one going with just a disk?
      Hey dude, im interested in this also. Just curious why only the clutch disk?
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      10-09-2012 11:04 AM #4
      I havent picked through this in awhile but I believe the Golf R TFSI motor has the same tranny with possibly just an upgrade SACHS disk?? Should work just fine but correct me if im wrong. Im sure Ill be barking up the new clutch tree within the year as I just went Stage 2+

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      10-09-2012 01:52 PM #5
      I don't get why people hate on dual mass flywheels. I beat the ever living crap out the one in my 24v vr6. Never had a problem. There were people pushing 400+ whp without a problem.

      When I am.forced to replace or upgrade, I'll be replacing the disc and pressure plate. Why? The disc isn't the only part involved in supporting the power. The pressure plate is what "clamps" it. Sobas far as ime concerned, you'll burn a better disc probably almost as quick as stock with a stock pressure plate.

      The stock clutch feels mushier than fresh dog crap, so I doubt even a much strong pressure plate would make clutching much more of a chore.

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      10-10-2012 10:32 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Medic! View Post
      Hey dude, im interested in this also. Just curious why only the clutch disk?
      Partly cost but mostly I'd like to keep the sound down as much as possible. I've heard a few DXD stg3 daily's on youtube and they chatter quite a bit. I'd like to avoid as much of that as possible.

      Quote Originally Posted by Boobslappy View Post
      I havent picked through this in awhile but I believe the Golf R TFSI motor has the same tranny with possibly just an upgrade SACHS disk?? Should work just fine but correct me if im wrong. Im sure Ill be barking up the new clutch tree within the year as I just went Stage 2+

      http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43658
      That's the same disc I linked in my first post. No one has actually confirmed as far as I can tell that the TSI and FSI share the same parts as far as that clutch disk is concerned.
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRon View Post
      I don't get why people hate on dual mass flywheels. I beat the ever living crap out the one in my 24v vr6. Never had a problem. There were people pushing 400+ whp without a problem.

      When I am.forced to replace or upgrade, I'll be replacing the disc and pressure plate. Why? The disc isn't the only part involved in supporting the power. The pressure plate is what "clamps" it. Sobas far as ime concerned, you'll burn a better disc probably almost as quick as stock with a stock pressure plate.

      The stock clutch feels mushier than fresh dog crap, so I doubt even a much strong pressure plate would make clutching much more of a chore.

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      I've seen the same thing mentioned by another member here, the pp being the issue, which does have me thinking. I've also heard the stock pp is good for 400tq. One thing is for sure, the pp in my car doesn't seem to be rated that high!

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      10-10-2012 11:30 AM #7
      I've been looking at the Sachs performance clutch for the R.
      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...::2_6_806.html

      about $800 and claims similar to factory feel and up to 405 ft/lbs TQ

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      10-10-2012 11:54 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by BigmountainVMD View Post
      I've been looking at the Sachs performance clutch for the R.
      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...::2_6_806.html

      about $800 and claims similar to factory feel and up to 405 ft/lbs TQ
      Not sure if this is our car or not. If it is there's a few options from them. The kit is about 730 US shipped.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...6_806_807.html

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      10-10-2012 05:35 PM #9
      I was a bit confused with the 3 different Golf R options... they all seem to offer the same thing though.

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      10-10-2012 05:43 PM #10
      th edifference is the amount of torque that they are good for. one is for mid 300's to 400. one is for 400-450 and one is for over 450.

      i have been looking into this for my car and i am stage 2+, so i am going to go a little over my current set up so I can add more power later and not have to upgrade the clutch again

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      10-11-2012 04:34 PM #11
      I have a note in to SRE to see how their clutch disc and pressure plate option feels and sounds compared to stock.

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      10-13-2012 02:26 PM #12
      What I want to know is, can our stock flywheel take the power? I've seen reports of cracked clutchs and cracked flywheels on the Golf R's. Can we still use the Dual mass or are we just asking for trouble?

      Also, aren't some of us on LUK clutchs? Would this Sachs SRE option work for us?
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      10-13-2012 08:32 PM #13
      I heard back from SRE and their kits work fine with our car. When I asked about retaining the DMF they said not an issue and still isn't the weak point in the system as their updated rigid couch disk is still organic.

      Not sure what to say about those that have had issues with the OEM flywheel other than most issues seem to be around the clutch disk and pressure plate.

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      10-13-2012 09:08 PM #14
      That's good to know. I actually experienced some slippage for the first time in 5th gear today... I'm only 1+ as well.

      This is from the other forum regarding Sachs SRE options for the GTI. They speak of the minimal chatter of the single mass flywheel, TQ rating of the clutch, and pedal feel.

      http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46971
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      10-14-2012 02:14 AM #15
      So, if we were to order the clutch kit and stick with the DMF, would it be best to buy a new one with our cars?
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      10-15-2012 11:33 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Rebellionelite View Post
      So, if we were to order the clutch kit and stick with the DMF, would it be best to buy a new one with our cars?
      Good question. I'm guessing from what I've read elsewhere that if the OEM flywheel is in good shape it shouldn't need to be replaced or resurfaced. I'm not sure on the cost of the OEM flywheel but it might make sense to replace no matter what given the amount of labor required to get back in there later on.

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      10-15-2012 01:34 PM #17
      Dmf cannot be resurfaced. Replace it if its shot, run it if it's not.

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      10-24-2012 01:12 PM #18
      Ordered the SRE clutch kit. I'll let you know how it goes.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...h-Kit::85.html

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      10-24-2012 03:28 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Ordered the SRE clutch kit. I'll let you know how it goes.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...h-Kit::85.html
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      10-24-2012 03:40 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Ordered the SRE clutch kit. I'll let you know how it goes.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...h-Kit::85.html
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    22. 10-24-2012 03:59 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Ordered the SRE clutch kit. I'll let you know how it goes.

      http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...h-Kit::85.html
      So you ordered it for LUK flywheel. Sachs have two versions of this kit- one for Sachs and one for LUK. So far I could get information on a single R only in terms of which flywheel it came with and it had a LUK. I've been planning to order this but having two different flywheel versions kept me puzzled. Let us know when you install it whether it fits your R.

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      10-24-2012 07:17 PM #23
      Nice, looking forward to a review.

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      10-30-2012 09:22 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by BC R View Post
      So you ordered it for LUK flywheel. Sachs have two versions of this kit- one for Sachs and one for LUK. So far I could get information on a single R only in terms of which flywheel it came with and it had a LUK. I've been planning to order this but having two different flywheel versions kept me puzzled. Let us know when you install it whether it fits your R.
      According to SRE their kit is compatible with all R engine codes. From the research I did on the SRE site the kit does appear to be for the LUK flywheel.

      The parts arrived yesterday and the car was dropped off this morning for the swap. Here's the pics of the SRE parts. I tried to get all the part numbers and markings. If you need any clarification let me know. Pics of the OEM parts to follow.











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