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      10-08-2012 04:49 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by S0RRY View Post
      . I think you have some good information and experience to share, but come off as a bit of an elitist sometimes.
      You on the other hand, have been trolling in every post you make.

      Back on topic:

      Rare =/= Value

      Rare: Not many around
      Value: Iphone,milions made still valuable.
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      10-08-2012 05:15 PM #52
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      "Rare"
      The 1958 Ferrari 412S? That's rare. That base-model Kia Rio sitting unloved in the back corner of a dealer's lot? That's also rare, but in an entirely different way. Problems begin cropping up when sellers begin confusing, as they often do, "rare" with "desirable." That pea-green Country Squire wagon with woodgrain paneling and a green cloth interior is indeed rare. It is not, unless you are in possession of a Kermit fetish, desirable.

    3. 10-08-2012 05:39 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      How do you define "rare" as it applies to cars?
      Homologation specials. Very few made as the Hemi Cuda cab or Tipo 33 Stradale. Also,cars made in thousands where only a few excist today.

      I love seeing unrestored classic cars in great condition. Of course i admire all the time it takes to get a car in concourse of elegance condition,but it is not "original" anymore. I guess that might sound silly but it`s just me.
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      10-08-2012 05:42 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by om617952 View Post

      I love seeing unrestored classic cars in great condition. Of course i admire all the time it takes to get a car in concourse of elegance condition,but it is not "original" anymore. I guess that might sound silly but it`s just me.
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      10-08-2012 05:53 PM #55


      less than 1750 in ever in North America. Most have fallen apart by now. How many do you think are left in good condition?
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    6. 10-08-2012 06:12 PM #56
      I normally spend ~30 hours a week driving. Anything that I usually see once a month or less during the summer is something I would consider rare. I don't even care how many of them were made, its about how many are still on the street today. I wouldn't consider something rare just because it has an uncommon paint color or trim level. It might make them cool, but not rare.

      I would differentiate between rare, and super rare. Those are the cars you get excited to see at all.

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      10-08-2012 06:21 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by OrangeA4 View Post


      less than 1750 in ever in North America. Most have fallen apart by now. How many do you think are left in good condition?
      There's one sitting at my shop actually. Same color, wheels, etc.

    8. 10-08-2012 06:27 PM #58
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      just a response to a post.

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      10-08-2012 06:31 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by S0RRY View Post
      Unicorn thread is the most recent example, however I'm not so desperate to make my point that I'm going to rifle through your post history. I think you have some good information and experience to share, but come off as a bit of an elitist sometimes.
      There's the pot calling the kettle black....

      To me, a car can not be rare if it is still in production, or has a hard to find trim level. Rare cars are cars with single digit production numbers that where made 50 years ago. The 20th edition GTI is a prime example. Its one of my favorite cars and they are very nice but they are not "rare". Sought after, yes, but not rare.

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      10-08-2012 06:36 PM #60
      Riding shothun on q four hour trip right now and just saw a subaru baja. I consider them rare.

      Surprised how they actually look decent in black.
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      10-08-2012 06:46 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by OrangeA4 View Post


      less than 1750 in ever in North America. Most have fallen apart by now. How many do you think are left in good condition?
      How about the word "scarce"?
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      10-08-2012 06:47 PM #62

      Not enough pictures of rare cars guys........
      come on....
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      10-08-2012 06:51 PM #63
      How about the word "scarce"?
      As in it "scarce" me to think of how you would replace some of the parts if you got rear ended in your coupe quattro?
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    14. 10-08-2012 07:03 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by OrangeA4 View Post
      less than 1750 in ever in North America. Most have fallen apart by now. How many do you think are left in good condition?
      Meh. Enough for people to still use them for S2 conversions.
      call it potatography

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      10-08-2012 07:24 PM #65
      Meh, rare is a relative term. You can't define it on its own, it's always relative. An Accord is not rare compared to any car. An S2000 is rare compared to an Accord. A 427 Cobra is rare compared to an S2000. A Bugatti Royale is rare compared to a Cobra. A MKII is rare compare to a Royale.

    16. 10-08-2012 07:39 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by S0RRY View Post
      Lets get right to the bottom of this thread. If it isn't Barry's Continental, he doesn't consider it rare.
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      10-08-2012 07:43 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by OrangeA4 View Post
      Not enough pictures of rare cars guys........
      come on....
      Only 5 made:



      Only 8 made:



      Only 5 made:



      Only 4 ever made:



      Only one in existence:



      Those are some rare cars.

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      10-08-2012 07:53 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by om617952 View Post
      Homologation specials.
      See, to me homologation specials don't count because it's not like the manufacturer "wanted" to make those cars (or else they would have made more than 5 of them.) However, if the manufacturer had already made the car (in limited quantities or not) and THEN entered it into racing where the rules mandated that it be based off a road going car, then it can be considered rare.

    19. 10-08-2012 08:11 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      However, if the manufacturer had already made the car (in limited quantities or not) and THEN entered it into racing where the rules mandated that it be based off a road going car, then it can be considered rare.
      But then they are not true homologation specials as their production numbers were not dictated by FIA regulations,and their design did not directly derive from a competition counterpart.
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      10-08-2012 08:13 PM #70
      People mixup the words rare and uncommon when talking about cars.
      Without talking about cars where there has been a deliberate limit on production, cars like the Bugatti Royale, Porsche 930SE and Ford GT40 are rare because not many people bought them. A fully optioned Honda Accord with leather and stick shift isn't rare, it's merely uncommon. And even then it depends on the area, my Citroen is common around my area, yet in other areas they are non existent. Does this make it rare? Not by a long shot.

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      10-08-2012 08:14 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by om617952 View Post
      But then they are not true homologation specials as their production numbers were not dictated by FIA regulations,and their design did not directly derive from a competition counterpart.
      That's my point: homologation specials don't count towards rarity because their production numbers are dictated by regulations and not by manufacturers.

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      10-08-2012 08:16 PM #72
      Let me rephrase what I said. I now think that newer cars with certain/desirable engine and transmission combos are uncommon. Older vehicles that are not seen often are rare to me now.

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      10-08-2012 08:19 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by OrangeA4 View Post
      Not enough pictures of rare cars guys........
      come on....


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      10-08-2012 08:25 PM #74
      http://forums.aaca.org/f136/rare-car...re-233237.html

      These guys have some good points.
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      10-08-2012 08:36 PM #75
      I say any production number less than 1,000. Then there are cars that are not rare ,but rarely seen, especially on a daily basis.

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