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    Thread: Toyota GT-86 is first of 3 new sports cars

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      10-09-2012 08:29 PM #1
      In a recent interview with Top Gear, Toyota GT-86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada has confirmed that the new GT 86 is just the first of a series of three new sports cars set to be launched by Toyota. He also announced that the GT 86 is placed in the middle of the two future sports cars, with pricing obviously following in the same pattern.

      These two new sports cars will not include the long-rumored successor of the Supra. When asked about this, Tada said that it could be possible for Toyota to also offer such a model, but right now, the engineers are pretty busy developing the other two Toyota sports cars. It usually takes about five years to develop a sports car from conceptualization to production, so the odds of seeing anything for the Supra before that are not good.

      But back to the new sports cars... Will we be seeing successors for models like the Celica and the MR2/MR-S? Aside from these choices, there isn’t much left for Toyota to pick through and develop.


      http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...-ar136025.html


      Oh yes...

    2. 10-09-2012 08:31 PM #2
      How would they slot the Celica and MR-2? Celica below the FT-86 and MR2 above or vice versa?

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      10-09-2012 08:34 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by surefooted View Post
      How would they slot the Celica and MR-2? Celica below the FT-86 and MR2 above or vice versa?
      Who knows if they will even bring back the Celica and/or MR-2. Could be just a couple brand new sports cars one under the GT-86 and one above possibly competing with Nissan's Z cars?

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      10-09-2012 08:42 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      Who knows if they will even bring back the Celica and/or MR-2. Could be just a couple brand new sports cars one under the GT-86 and one above possibly competing with Nissan's Z cars?
      That sounds right to me. I'd be curious to see what's 'below' the already small and affordable 86.

      Would it be FWD? 2 seats or 4?

      I'm excited to see this, but after experiencing the FR-S' drivetrain first-hand I'm a little less so than I would have been.

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      10-09-2012 08:44 PM #5
      The "more mass market and cheaper" I'm guessing will be a FWD sport coupe using a Yaris or Corolla drivetrain. Toyota used to build a bunch of cars like that - Sera, Paseo, etc. I don't think they could make an MR2-type car at a lower cost than the 86. The last MR2 was already around the same cost (inflation adjusted) as the FR-S, using nothing but parts bin engineering.

      The more upmarket car, who knows. A six cylinder Supra would of course be welcome. Personally, I'd love it if they built a sport sedan using the 86's platform.
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    7. 10-09-2012 08:46 PM #7
      I could imagine a less powerful GT-86/FRS/BRZ based roadster as the lower model. Upper model is a crapshoot that really depends on where their price point is. All this really tells us is not to expect a mid 30's pseudo muscle/sports-car.
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    8. 10-09-2012 08:47 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      Who knows if they will even bring back the Celica and/or MR-2. Could be just a couple brand new sports cars one under the GT-86 and one above possibly competing with Nissan's Z cars?
      I don't think they'll make a Z-fighter unless they can get much better than the Z's 18/26 mpg. I wonder if they won't do a lightweight roadster since they don't offer any convertibles in the US. MR2 doesn't seem likely since it didn't have much of a splash last time. I bet the other car is some sore of Veloster-type car though.

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      10-09-2012 08:49 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by JuanManuelFangio View Post
      I could imagine a less powerful GT-86/FRS/BRZ based roadster as the lower model. Upper model is a crapshoot that really depends on where their price point is. All this really tells us is not to expect a mid 30's pseudo muscle/sports-car.
      An 86 convertible is already greenlit to be introduced in the next year or two and it will cost more, not less, than the hardtop.
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      10-09-2012 08:57 PM #11
      The "below" model will probably be a modernized this:


      A sport-bodied Yaris.
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      10-09-2012 09:00 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by VDub2625 View Post
      The "below" model will probably be a modernized this:


      A sport-bodied Yaris.
      That's my guess. The higher end model will be a new Solara/ Camry coupe variant.

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      10-09-2012 09:01 PM #13
      Please let there be a new Supra. Please...
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      10-09-2012 09:04 PM #14
      This is good news indeed.



      Hey Honda you see this..........

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      10-09-2012 09:15 PM #15
      I really wish the GT-86/FRS/BRZ was a hatch-back instead of a coupe...I know the latter is lighter and theoretically a better handler, but a hatch affords so much more utility. Heck, offering one along side the coupe would follow even MORE in the footsteps of the AE86.

      But any new "affordable" sports car is good news, even if I am not in the market for one.
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      10-09-2012 09:25 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Krazee View Post
      I really wish the GT-86/FRS/BRZ was a hatch-back instead of a coupe...I know the latter is lighter and theoretically a better handler, but a hatch affords so much more utility. Heck, offering one along side the coupe would follow even MORE in the footsteps of the AE86.

      But any new "affordable" sports car is good news, even if I am not in the market for one.

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      10-09-2012 09:30 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by nubbin View Post
      please let there be a new supra. Please...
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      10-09-2012 09:31 PM #18
      but toyota didnt design the gt-86...

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      10-09-2012 09:32 PM #19
      on the upside of this whole discussion...with the BRZ/FRS chassis being so good, i'm really looking forward to what the future holds for their other cars.

      i see the market shaking out like this -

      - cheap, sporty, small car...perhaps a yaris re-body with a real suspension and motor kit?
      - the mid-line, everyday, fun, rwd, sports car - GT-86/Twins
      - the miata PRHT figther - GT-86/Twins 'Vert
      - the big, fast, and mean sports car - something to compete in the camaro, 370z, and mustang market
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      10-09-2012 09:40 PM #20
      I seriously doubt we will see a reincarnation of the mid engine rear drive Toyota MR2. And why would they need another Celica? They already have the Scion TC, which IMO is a ****box.

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      MR2 and Supra.
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      Related:

      Toyota expands Subaru’s involvement in new models

      In the wake of early sales success with the Scion FR-S, Toyota has elected to expand its partnership with Subaru to include cooperative engineering on the next Corolla, Camry, and RAV4.

      “Once we drove the FR-S, we realized that our cars just suck,” said Toyota spokesman Joe “Moe” Tetherball. “Sure, our vehicles are reliable, but let’s face it, they’re as boring as whale ****. So we figured it was time to farm out more of the work to Subaru. After all, we own 17% of them, and they have to do whatever we say. Watch this: Hey, Subaru! Subaru! Come here and polish my shoes.”

      As with the Scion FR-S, Tetherball says, Toyota will maintain a strong influence over all aspects of the new cars.

      “Subaru’s engineering involvement on these new cars will be limited to the engine, transmission, driveline, body design, suspension, ride quality, driving dynamics, safety engineering, interior styling, electrical systems and software, and trim selection,” Tetherball explained. “But the over-arching concept, which was to build a car about yay big, and another smaller one and another one that’s sort of like an SUV, that was done entirely by Toyota personnel. Aside from the way the cars look, feel and drive, they will be Toyotas through and through.”

      Autoblopnik asked for a comment from a Subaru representative, who promised to get back to us as soon as he had Toyota’s permission.
      http://autoblopnik.com/2012/10/08/to...in-new-models/

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      10-09-2012 10:17 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Swallow Doretti View Post
      "A car about yay big".

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      10-09-2012 10:21 PM #24
      Two new Scions! Yay!
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      Maybe a hatch like the fx-16 GTS?

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      10-10-2012 12:11 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by mike02467 View Post
      I seriously doubt we will see a reincarnation of the mid engine rear drive Toyota MR2. And why would they need another Celica? They already have the Scion TC, which IMO is a ****box.
      the new one is at least 5x better than the last one. although the last one was 10x worse than everything else in its segment.
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      10-10-2012 12:25 AM #27
      I wonder if they're developping a brand new engine for their top of the line sports car. Please, no hyrbid stuff.

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      10-10-2012 12:48 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      I wonder if they're developping a brand new engine for their top of the line sports car. Please, no hyrbid stuff.
      Does Toyota work with Yamaha anymore? Need some torque-less screamers!
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      10-10-2012 12:53 AM #29
      More unreliable Toyotas to come.
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      10-10-2012 12:55 AM #30
      I'm thinking Celica. And hoping for MR2

      If done right, MR2 could be about the size of the GT86 with MR setup.

      New Celica would be a little larger. (2+2 or 4 seaters).

      A new Celica wouldn't be too bad.

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      10-10-2012 01:03 AM #31
      This is relevant to my interests.

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      10-10-2012 01:16 AM #32
      More awesomeness from Toyota, more fail from Honda.

    33. 10-10-2012 01:33 AM #33
      Chances are, the one below will be FWD.
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    34. 10-10-2012 01:40 AM #34
      Most likely we'll see a FWD vehicle in the likes of the Focus ST and GTI and a turbo GT-86.

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      Luckily, with that little torque, unintended acceleration won't even kill you.

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