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      10-10-2012 10:20 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Noah Fecks View Post
      isnt that a coupe? 2 doors no?
      Nope. A coupe has a compromised roof in the back for styling purposes and a sedan does not. A Karmann Ghia is a coupe for that very reason, even though they have the same number of doors and are built essentially on the same chassis with the same dimensions* as a Beetle.

      *They have different floorpans, however.
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    2. 10-10-2012 10:21 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by McBanagon View Post
      Yes... sometimes.

      There have been times in the past when I wish I had a place to lock things up overnight.

      Do your hatchbacks not lock?

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      10-10-2012 10:21 AM #28
      never had to really think between hatch and sedan. always been a 2 or 4 door question, hatch was incedental. now with a big dog, sedans are out. wagons or SUVs are in. our butts will not go where their paws and butts go. don't care if luggage does tho!

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      10-10-2012 10:24 AM #29
      Once you go hatch you never go...batch (?)

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      10-10-2012 10:24 AM #30
      So, based on the small sample size here in TCL world, it seems that hatch owners love their hatchbacks, and aren't dying to switch over to a sedan. There must be people who feel the same way about sedans, no?

      It seems like hatchbacks gain versatility, yet give up nothing. Which makes it more puzzling that I sit in traffic and see a sea of sedans...

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      10-10-2012 10:24 AM #31
      I had a sedan once. I think I opened the trunk when looking at buying it, and again when selling it.

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      10-10-2012 10:25 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Air-over-water View Post

      Do your hatchbacks not lock?
      I think it is more the perception that a trunk presents greater security than a hatch.
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      10-10-2012 10:28 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by spongebob_squarepants View Post
      There must be people who feel the same way about sedans, no?
      My husband has only owned sedans, but he doesn't really have a strong preference one way or the other I don't think. He really wanted a wagon this time around, but what he wanted (TDI Jetta wagon in manual...preferably under 150k) was A) hard to find and B) usually way out of budget so he ended up with a sedan instead. He thought about a GTI, but didn't want His and Hers cars really. He likes my car just fine though. Its just happened that he's ended up in sedans.
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      10-10-2012 10:31 AM #34
      Not once. Every car I drive, I wish was a hatch.

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      10-10-2012 10:32 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Air-over-water View Post

      Do your hatchbacks not lock?
      You can secure a truck so it's not accessible by breaking glass.

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      10-10-2012 10:33 AM #36
      I think that sedans look a little more grown-up/serious. So in some moods, a sedan would be preferable.
      I'm also pretty sure you have a wider field of view when the back window is closer to you, so that's an advantage of sedans.
      But in some senses, "hatches," as a way to access your cargo space, completely prevail in America (well new england at least). Go to any parking lot, and between the hatchbacks, wagons, SUVs, and Minivans, Sedans are far outnumbered.
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      10-10-2012 10:36 AM #37
      NO. However, I sometimes wish I got the 4dr vs. my 2dr GTI, but thats only so my dog can creepily stare at people out the window at stop lights and in traffic.

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      10-10-2012 10:37 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by McBanagon View Post
      Yes... sometimes.

      There have been times in the past when I wish I had a place to lock things up overnight.
      I've sometimes heard this as THE argument, but at the end of the day, tons of Americans buy SUVs and crossovers with no covered storage and that sort of smash-and-grab petty crime is not more common here than in the rest of the world. I agree that it's nice to have, but then, every hatch I've owned had some sort of cover. You could still break a window to get in, but you can punch out a trunk lock, too. Or in most modern sedans, break a window then flip the seat back down.

      It's really simpler than that, it's that sedans look bigger and this plays into psychology on both sides of the Atlantic.

      In a society like ours where there is no perceived premium on space, the typical uninformed buyer will just take the biggest-looking car they can afford. This is why the Versa sells so well, and in sedan trim, too; for barely over $10k you get something the size of a MkIV Jetta. There's a really interesting version of this going on in India where the newly affluent middle class is absolutely gaga for what are effectively sedan versions of Japanese kei cars. There are road tax incentives to have a car under a specific length, and rather than buying a hatch with a longer wheelbase and more effective room, people will go for the micro-sedan instead.

      On the other hand, go to a society where you've got to street park and work with a dense urban infrastructure that was built by a wealthy society before the automobile, such as most of Europe, and there's a stronger unconscious incentive to pick the car that looks shorter. There's also some culture here, too, as the explosion of hatchbacks in the late '70s and early '80s cemented them in the minds of a lot of people as the hipper alternative. Unlike in America, where a Rabbit was replacing a much "wealthier"-looking huge American car in someone's driveway, when cars like the Golf appeared in Europe they were replacing similar-sized awkward little sedans like Renault Dauphines with something that looked and felt vastly more modern.
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      10-10-2012 10:38 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by McBanagon View Post
      You can secure a truck so it's not accessible by breaking glass.

      This is a completely false sense of security. For the vast majority of cars, all you need to do is break into the cabin, then hit a switch that opens the trunk.

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      10-10-2012 10:40 AM #40
      NEVER

      but i always wished that my old car 03 Impala would come as a hatch i would have bought that instead

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      10-10-2012 10:42 AM #41
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      Otherwise, no.
      To be fair, the GTI does get a bit messy easily, but my Outback and my old Cherokee is/was better (higher belt line).

      A sedan may not get a dirty rear window as easily, but once it is, you can only get outside the car and clean it yourself. Also, during winter, if you have just a tiny bit of snow left on the roof, it will automatically settle on your window and you need to wait for the defroster to melt everything away.

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      10-10-2012 10:43 AM #42
      Went from wagon to sedan, not because I wanted a sedan, but because they didn't make a hatch or wagon version anymore.

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      10-10-2012 10:43 AM #43
      Last 7 cars I've owned were all hatches. Couple Focuses, a MK1 rabbit, and a few GTIs. I don't have kids, nor do I plan on having any so four doors is a complete waste for me, although the Focus hatch I have now is a 5 door... a 3 door hatch it all I really need.

      The utility of the hatch is pretty awesome. When I had my 97 GTI VR6 I stuffed a solar cover for an olympic sized pool in the hatch, rolled up like a giant sleeping bag. It JUST fit. I mean... JUST... on all sides. But yeah, let's see you do that in a sedan.

      I will probably always own a hatch of some flavor. Just too hooked on it that body style.
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      10-10-2012 10:46 AM #44
      God, no. I can't think of a single situation where I think, "Y'know, I wish I had saved about $4.00 a month and gotten a vehicle with less usable space and even worse weight distribution."
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      10-10-2012 10:51 AM #45
      The only car that my wife and I had that didn't have a hatch were her VW Cabrio and her current BMW 325 convertible. The trunk is a pain in the ass and if it's not sunny out side we take one of our other cars. All of which have a hatch.

      I've never really understood the appeal of a car with a trunk. They've always seemed so impractical to get stuff into and out of the cargo area. I also like having the rear window closer to the rear bumper. Makes backing out a bit easier because you don't have to judge that extra couple of feet before you hit something.

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      10-10-2012 10:53 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by rbloedow View Post
      This is a completely false sense of security. For the vast majority of cars, all you need to do is break into the cabin, then hit a switch that opens the trunk.
      I'm sure we're both right.. There are plenty of different vehicles out there.

      When I said "can secure the trunk," I was referring to the ones that have locking trunk releases and seat backs.

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      10-10-2012 10:54 AM #47
      No, I love having hatchbacks...since 2000.

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      10-10-2012 10:54 AM #48
      There have been times I wished I had the bigger trunk of a sedan instead of the small (with seats up) cargo area of a hatch. Ski trips being the biggie. I can only really take 2 other people for ski trips in my GTI, once you start adding gear the rear fills up too quickly. My Focus didn't suffer from this.

      The other thing is... at least that I've experienced... the hatch structure is less rigid than a sedan. My GTI creaks and groans over driveways, speed bumps, etc. Its noticeable that its not very rigid, where a sedan has the extra bracing at the back seats and trunk line.

      Otherwise the versatility of the hatch is awesome. My bikes fit in the back super easy. My 40" TV looked small in the back, where I would have struggled to fit it in my previous car.
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      10-10-2012 10:57 AM #49
      I've owned basically only sedans, save one, a MKIII GTI. We've always needed 4 doors because of our kids. I'm on my 4th truck however, and I'll never be with out a truck again. We've had a MKIV Jetta for the past 9 years, and have never has a problem moving stuff because of said truck. I will say that her next car will likely be a wagon of some flavor.
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      10-10-2012 10:58 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by johnny_p View Post
      The other thing is... at least that I've experienced... the hatch structure is less rigid than a sedan. My GTI creaks and groans over driveways, speed bumps, etc. Its noticeable that its not very rigid, where a sedan has the extra bracing at the back seats and trunk line.
      It depends on the car. The Mazda3 hatch is stiffer torsionally than the sedan.
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