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      10-10-2012 04:54 PM #1
      http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Pre...rfeit+Air+Bags

      The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has alerted the auto repair industry that tens of thousands of car owners may be driving vehicles with counterfeit air bags, which fail to inflate properly or don't inflate at all. Although no deaths or injuries have been tied to the counterfeit bags, it's unclear whether police accident investigators would be able to identify a counterfeit bag from a genuine one. The counterfeit bags typically have been made to look like air bags from automakers, and usually include a manufacturer's logo, but government investigators believe many of the bags come from China. Auto dealerships that operate their own body shops are usually required by their franchise agreements to buy their parts, including air bags, directly from automakers and therefore are unlikely to have installed counterfeit bags. But only 37 percent of auto dealers have their own body shops, so many consumers whose vehicles have been damaged are referred by their insurance companies to auto body shops that aren't affiliated with an automaker.Safety officials will warn millions of Americans that the air bags in over 100 vehicle models could be dangerous counterfeits, telling them to have their cars and trucks inspected as soon as possible. Dai Zhensong, a Chinese citizen, had the counterfeit air bags manufactured by purchasing genuine auto air bags that were torn down and used to produce molds to manufacture the counterfeit bags. Trademark emblems were purchased through dealerships located in China and affixed to the counterfeit air bags, which were then advertised on the Guangzhou Auto Parts website and sold for approximately $50 to $70 each, far below the value of an authentic air bag. The NHTSA has made a list of automobiles available that may be at risk for having counterfeit air bags."

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      10-10-2012 04:55 PM #2
      Oh, China. That was too predictable.

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      10-10-2012 04:56 PM #3
      Sweet! This will significantly drop the cost to repair my salvage title cars!
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      10-10-2012 08:45 PM #4
      Wouldn't an auto parts dealer/body shop buyer know that 70 bucks is too damn cheap for a real replacement airbag?
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      10-10-2012 08:46 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Wouldn't an auto parts dealer/body shop buyer know that 70 bucks is too damn cheap for a real replacement airbag?
      Yeah. They're just as complicit as the people selling them, unelss some middleman is marking them way up.
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      10-10-2012 08:56 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Wouldn't an auto parts dealer/body shop buyer know that 70 bucks is too damn cheap for a real replacement airbag?
      This is the Walmart generation. "I need more things at lower prices.... no matter what the cost!"

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      10-10-2012 08:56 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by nm+ View Post
      Yeah. They're just as complicit as the people selling them, unelss some middleman is marking them way up.
      Somebody in the supply chain made money knowingly selling these dirt cheap parts as though they were legit airbags.
      My point is somebody should be to blame and prosecuted for the fraud and related costs (and any injuries from the fake airbags).
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      10-10-2012 08:58 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by warren_s View Post
      This is the Walmart generation. "I need more things at lower prices.... no matter what the cost!"
      I only wish they'd come out with a Great Value Car already

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      10-10-2012 08:59 PM #9
      From the NHTSA press release.
      CONSUMERS THAT SHOULD NOT BE AT RISK:

      Consumers who purchased their vehicle new and have not had their air bags replaced
      Consumers who have full knowledge of the entire history of their used vehicle (including knowing whether the vehicle had been in a crash in the last three years and being certain that the air bag was replaced at a new car dealership)
      CONSUMERS THAT MAY BE AT RISK AND SHOULD CONTACT THE CALL CENTER ESTABLISHED BY THEIR AUTO MANUFACTURER:

      Consumers who have had air bags replaced within the past three years at a repair shop that is not part of a new car dealership
      Consumers who have purchased a used car that may have sustained an air bag deployment before their purchase
      Consumers who own a car with a title branded salvage, rebuilt, or reconstructed
      Consumers who have purchased replacement air bags from eBay or other non-certified sources-especially if they were purchased at unusually low prices (i.e. less than $400)
      VEHICLES FOR WHICH COUNTERFEIT AIR BAGS MAY BE AVAILABLE:

      As of today, NHTSA is aware of counterfeit air bags available for the following vehicle makes and models:

      Acura

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      TSX

      Audi

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      A3, A4, A6, A8, Q5, Q7

      BMW

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      2008-2010
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      2007-2011
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      2004-2007
      525i, 530, 535

      2011-2012
      X3

      Buick

      2010-2011
      Lacrosse

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      2006-2010
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      2011-2012
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      2012
      Camaro

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      2012
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      2005-2009
      Mustang

      Honda

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      Accord

      2006-2011
      Civic

      2002-2011
      CRV

      2007-2011
      Fit

      2009-2011
      Pilot

      2009-2011
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      2009-2011
      Crosstour

      2011
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      Hyundai

      2007-2011
      Elantra

      Not listed
      Genesis

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      Sonata

      Infiniti

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      Kia

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      2004-2009
      Spectra

      Land Rover

      2012
      Range Rover Evoque

      Lexus

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      IS250, IS350, IS-F

      2003-2008
      GX470

      2007-2009
      RX350

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      2010-2012
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      Mercedes

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      C, GLK

      2010-2011
      E350, E550

      2007-2008
      S550

      2006-2009
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      2009-2010
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      Mitsubishi

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      2010-2011
      Quest

      2009-2011
      Cube

      2007-2011
      Versa

      2009-2010
      Murano

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      2008-2009
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      2008-2009
      Outback

      2010-2011
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      Camry

      2012
      Camry

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      2004-2011
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      2007-2011
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      2003-2006
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      2003-2010
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      2004-2007
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      2008-2010
      Highlander

      2004-2009
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      2005-2011
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      Volkswagen

      2006-2010
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      Volvo

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      10-10-2012 09:13 PM #10
      ^

      Yeah- they are basically telling everybody with a vehicle on the list that had an airbags replaced - NOT at a dealer- to take their vehicle to the dealer and get it verified.

      I am sure dealers will hate this.... (sarcasm...)
      What would stop them from claiming all of them are counterfeit?
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      10-10-2012 09:32 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      ^

      Yeah- they are basically telling everybody with a vehicle on the list that had an airbags replaced - NOT at a dealer- to take their vehicle to the dealer and get it verified.

      I am sure dealers will hate this.... (sarcasm...)
      What would stop them from claiming all of them are counterfeit?
      Morals...oh wait

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      10-10-2012 09:47 PM #12
      pretty crazy video in that link, sucks that it can go from not working to shrapnel too
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      10-10-2012 10:40 PM #13
      That video... damn.

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      10-10-2012 10:50 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by warren_s View Post
      This is the Walmart generation. "I need more things at lower prices.... no matter what the cost!"
      "Cheap at any cost" is what I always say. It's mine, but feel free to use it if you wish.
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      10-10-2012 10:56 PM #15
      YouTube of the video:
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      10-10-2012 11:02 PM #16
      It's only a matter of time before we start hearing of deaths because of this. I'm sure it's happened by now since its been three years.
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      10-10-2012 11:53 PM #17
      Airbags are just the tip of the iceberg. Brakes pads, rotors and many other service parts are being counterfeited and passed off as name brand products that may enter the supply chain at various points. It's just one more industry for the largest organized crime syndicate in the world, China, to exploit. Supply chain integrity is a huge issue that all the OEMs and reputable parts suppliers have been grappling with now for the past decade or so.

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      10-10-2012 11:54 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by freedomgli View Post
      Airbags are just the tip of the iceberg...
      That's just infuriating.
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      10-10-2012 11:59 PM #19
      That video is disturbing.

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      10-11-2012 12:43 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by freedomgli View Post
      Airbags are just the tip of the iceberg. Brakes pads, rotors and many other service parts are being counterfeited and passed off as name brand products that may enter the supply chain at various points. It's just one more industry for the largest organized crime syndicate in the world, China, to exploit. Supply chain integrity is a huge issue that all the OEMs and reputable parts suppliers have been grappling with now for the past decade or so.
      Ok.. I need you to support that overgeneralized claim.
      You make it sound like the government of China is intentionally making parts like this just to screw with everybody.
      But cheap Chinese labor is not free- so somebody is paying a Chinese company to make these parts.. and I seriously doubt it is a Chinese business.

      More than likely some outside business went to a Chinese factory and paid them to make parts that look good as cheap as possibly but without any concern for functionality. They are getting exactly what they paid for, and are the Chinese to blame?
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      10-11-2012 07:47 AM #21
      Recently, Volvo told their suppliers to cut their prices or else Volvo will look to Chinese suppliers. I hoping I'm just being paranoid here but I'm wondering if that kinda cost cutting will show itself in inferior safety devices.

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      10-11-2012 09:52 AM #22
      That's worse than having no airbag at all...

      I'm glad my car was bought new and never had a deploy; I know it's pretty popular in China and is on that list.

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      10-11-2012 09:58 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Ok.. I need you to support that overgeneralized claim.
      You make it sound like the government of China is intentionally making parts like this just to screw with everybody.
      But cheap Chinese labor is not free- so somebody is paying a Chinese company to make these parts.. and I seriously doubt it is a Chinese business.

      More than likely some outside business went to a Chinese factory and paid them to make parts that look good as cheap as possibly but without any concern for functionality. They are getting exactly what they paid for, and are the Chinese to blame?
      While I agree to a point, I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around.
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    24. 10-11-2012 10:01 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by warren_s View Post
      This is the Walmart generation. "I need more things at lower prices.... no matter what the cost!"
      China bashing and old man whining in the same thread! Now we just need a hipster or two.
      call it potatography

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