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      10-13-2012 02:09 AM #1
      We just got off the dyno with our FRS. This is our Stage 1 with a bigger turbo. Our kit is designed to run anything from a Gt28, Gt30, Gt35r. We decided to skip the 30r and get get straight to business with the GTX35R.

      This kit is still in the prototype stages and will likely be our stage 3 with upgraded intercooler, bigger injectors and so on.

      Our Stage 2 will consist of the Gtx30r. We have gathered enough data from this project that we can now start building those kits for those who wish for big power.

      Surprisingly the stock motor is holding up for now. We are working on a built motor for when this one fails. I am very impressed with it in stock form.

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      10-13-2012 02:11 AM #2
      Last edited by DerSpiegel; 10-13-2012 at 02:13 AM.

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      10-13-2012 02:16 AM #4
      Those big turbo cars seem miserable to drive.. I'd like to make power before 7k rpm please.
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      10-13-2012 02:18 AM #5
      Does the 6 M/T hold up with that much power or were changes made?

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      10-13-2012 02:18 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by lowredcabrio View Post
      Those big turbo cars seem miserable to drive.. I'd like to make power before 7k rpm please.
      Have you driven a BT car? They are a ****ing riot
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    8. 10-13-2012 02:55 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by lowredcabrio View Post
      Those big turbo cars seem miserable to drive.. I'd like to make power before 7k rpm please.
      Why is it miserable to drive? I love sudden abrupt mid rpm range power. It's the best because you get 2 different cars. Something that's ecenomical and as long as you have the RPM range to support it you never fall out of boost between shifts. I've owned a turbo Honda tuned standalone and I tried to blow mine up. 18psi 411whp was a damn blast on the freeway and it would not explode. I ended up selling the car and the buyer came out to leak-down compression test it and it was still 170psi across the board after 20k miles of abuse.

      Quote Originally Posted by I_like_waffles View Post
      Yes I totally want to blow engines every 6 months!
      It's a japanese car not a european car. They're simply built better and they don't spend manufacturing costs developing odd 8 sided allen head bolts and funky assembly designs that take gobs of man hours.

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      10-13-2012 03:02 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by 550psrs4 View Post
      It's a japanese car not a european car. They're simply built better and they don't spend manufacturing costs developing odd 8 sided allen head bolts and funky assembly designs that take gobs of man hours.
      Triple square bolts work very well for their intended purpose and they do have one, far superior to allen bolts. And your crazy if you think Japanese engines are superior to euro engines in a mechanical aspect. Better electrical connectors and higher quality plastics for the cooling system yes but better internals no way.

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      10-13-2012 03:06 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by 100% Euro View Post
      Triple square bolts work very well for their intended purpose and they do have one, far superior to allen bolts. And your crazy if you think Japanese engines are superior to euro engines in a mechanical aspect. Better electrical connectors and higher quality plastics for the cooling system yes but better internals no way.

    11. 10-13-2012 12:55 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by 100% Euro View Post
      Triple square bolts work very well for their intended purpose and they do have one, far superior to allen bolts. And your crazy if you think Japanese engines are superior to euro engines in a mechanical aspect. Better electrical connectors and higher quality plastics for the cooling system yes but better internals no way.


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      10-13-2012 03:59 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by 100% Euro View Post
      Triple square bolts work very well for their intended purpose and they do have one, far superior to allen bolts. And your crazy if you think Japanese engines are superior to euro engines in a mechanical aspect. Better electrical connectors and higher quality plastics for the cooling system yes but better internals no way.
      I heard that Subaru motors have weak valve rockers...

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      10-13-2012 07:37 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by 100% Euro View Post
      Triple square bolts work very well for their intended purpose and they do have one, far superior to allen bolts. And your crazy if you think Japanese engines are superior to euro engines in a mechanical aspect. Better electrical connectors and higher quality plastics for the cooling system yes but better internals no way.
      I always find it funny that people who own a car from the lowest-rung European manufacturers have the most to say about the superiority of "European" cars. Just because a Jetta comes from the same continent as a Bugatti doesn't mean all "European" cars can be grouped as a whole
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      10-13-2012 03:17 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by 550psrs4 View Post
      It's a japanese car not a european car. They're simply built better and they don't spend manufacturing costs developing odd 8 sided allen head bolts and funky assembly designs that take gobs of man hours.

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      10-13-2012 09:37 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by 550psrs4 View Post
      It's a japanese car not a european car. They're simply built better and they don't spend manufacturing costs developing odd 8 sided allen head bolts and funky assembly designs that take gobs of man hours.
      As someone with a turbo flat-4 in the garage.... EL OH EL. *Cough Piston ringlands *

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      10-13-2012 12:37 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by SnowGTI2003 View Post
      As someone with a turbo flat-4 in the garage.... EL OH EL. *Cough Piston ringlands *
      What piston ringlands?!?

      To the poster above asking about the trans. If this 6 speed is anything like the STi 6 speed, it will withstand these power levels. The engine on the other hand? See above tongue in cheek comment about ringlands The Subaru motors have had their fair share of issues at high horsepower levels there.

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      10-13-2012 09:41 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by 550psrs4 View Post
      It's a japanese car not a european car. They're simply built better and they don't spend manufacturing costs developing odd 8 sided allen head bolts and funky assembly designs that take gobs of man hours.
      This thread will now go places.

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      10-13-2012 09:57 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by 550psrs4 View Post


      It's a japanese car not a european car. They're simply built better and they don't spend manufacturing costs developing odd 8 sided allen head bolts and funky assembly designs that take gobs of man hours.


      That may be the funniest thing I've ever read in a thread about Subaru engines.

      Here are at least 23 people who certainly wouldn't agree with you.

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      10-13-2012 10:09 AM #19
      IN!!!!

      It actually looks like the aftermarket companies have been getting better with the turbo locations. I wonder if you can go twin turbo with a smaller set up to better control the lag.

      That thing needs a more solid engine mount. It looks like with a few high spirited drives it gonna blow itself of the engine bay.
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      10-13-2012 02:24 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Needs more turbo lag.
      Saw that, too. 5200 is when it spools? Takes longer than an F40

    21. 10-13-2012 02:27 AM #21
      Yes I totally want to blow engines every 6 months!

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      10-13-2012 02:31 AM #22
      I find the onset of big turbo boost one of the most enjoyable experiences in my life. I will gladly take the turbo lag that comes with it.

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      10-13-2012 04:28 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by I_like_waffles View Post
      Yes I totally want to blow engines every 6 months!
      Until you push the engine to the breaking point, you don't know where the limits are. Frankly, the sooner they blow up one, the better.
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      10-13-2012 10:38 AM #24
      That's really cool. It's awesome to see what people are accomplishing with this car. However, I'll echo the comments about the turbo lag. That car's going to be a b!tch to get power out of on the road.
      Scotch. It's time.

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    25. 10-13-2012 11:28 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by pentaxshooter View Post
      Have you driven a BT car? They are a ****ing riot
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      Nothing....nothing....nothing.....nothing.....wait ..was that something....OH MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

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      10-13-2012 11:47 AM #26
      Pretty much the same power/powerband a 2.0L Evo or WRX or GTI would make with this turbo and those mods, not sure why everyone is so surprised just because it is the BRZ.

    27. 10-13-2012 12:22 PM #27
      Sooo.. Makes less than 200 hp between 1000 and 5000 RPM then makes an average of 350 hp between 5000 and 6500 rpm... with an anemic plateu/drop off from 6500 to 7500.

      ....

      So...

      I would spend 5/7ths of my time making less horsepower than a Tercel.

      Then I would spend 2/7ths of my time making (average) as much hp as a corvette from 20 years ago?

      All while getting worse reliability than a corvette manufactured 20 years ago.. While spending as much money on mods as would have bought be a used 6th gen vette?



      Yeah... This is a drastic improvement over the original car.


      Last edited by x1000rpms; 10-13-2012 at 12:26 PM.

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      10-13-2012 12:25 PM #28
      Will this kit void my warranty?
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    29. 10-13-2012 05:05 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by x1000rpms View Post
      Sooo.. Makes less than 200 hp between 1000 and 5000 RPM then makes an average of 350 hp between 5000 and 6500 rpm... with an anemic plateu/drop off from 6500 to 7500.

      ....

      So...

      I would spend 5/7ths of my time making less horsepower than a Tercel.

      Then I would spend 2/7ths of my time making (average) as much hp as a corvette from 20 years ago?

      All while getting worse reliability than a corvette manufactured 20 years ago.. While spending as much money on mods as would have bought be a used 6th gen vette?



      Yeah... This is a drastic improvement over the original car.


      You have a funny way of reading dyno's. First, it basically is going to 8000rpm. Second, I don't know what you consider anemic, but losing only 20hp across 1000rpm after peak, is not, especially when that's 500 horsepower. It will feel like it just wants to keep going and going.

      Third, the ENTIRE power-band is higher than the stock car, even low rpm. So the fact that it makes more power up top, and the same or better down low, makes it slow?

      It's over 300 hp from 5000rpm on. the stock car peaked at 200. Every shift will be 100% in the boosted zones and higher gears the rev drop will be small enough that you'll go from like 500hp to 450hp. If you're trying to go fast at 3000rpm with a car that raps out to 8000 you're a dumbass. Downshift idiot.

      Yeah it's peaky, but that'd be a beast to drive, especially with how it winds the power out up top.

      And if you're going to start talking $$ vs reliability vs mods, GTFO now. You have no place in a modding discussion.

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      10-13-2012 02:08 PM #30

      I what planet is that STOCK?
      Add anything - even software and it is NOT STOCK

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      10-13-2012 02:09 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Tommi View Post

      I what planet is that STOCK?
      Add anything - even software and it is NOT STOCK
      Pedantic much? The implication is that the internals are stock which is a big deal. It will show how much the stock motor can take once breathed on a bit.

    32. 10-13-2012 02:30 PM #32
      @ the power curve. Pass.

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      10-13-2012 03:18 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Tommi View Post

      I what planet is that STOCK?
      Add anything - even software and it is NOT STOCK
      stock engine internals are an indication of overall strength of motor and parts. there are plenty of stock block Evo's and S2000's in this hp range too. it more has to do with proper fuel and boost delivery with good computer control. most modern engines are pretty heavily overbuilt. with that being said, this isn't a car that will take you to and from work everyday for the next 100k miles with no issues. still impressive though.
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      AP1 S2000? I can not in good conscience talk you out of that. May your slip angle be great and your bed not be the couch!

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      Quote Originally Posted by compy222 View Post
      stock engine internals are an indication of overall strength of motor and parts. there are plenty of stock block Evo's and S2000's in this hp range too. it more has to do with proper fuel and boost delivery with good computer control. most modern engines are pretty heavily overbuilt. with that being said, this isn't a car that will take you to and from work everyday for the next 100k miles with no issues. still impressive though.
      This this this. I know in the ITR community that whenever someone new comes up and says "I wanna boost the B18C5, how should I do it?" there are those who say that the B18C5 has too high compression to be reliable with a turbo, there are those who say tear apart the engine and rebuild it for boost, there are those who say to sell the ITR and buy a GS-R to boost because boosting an ITR is sacrilege, and then there are those who say you can make 350whp reliably on stock internals so long as you have a very good tuner and good supporting mods. The last ones are the most correct.

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      10-14-2012 04:04 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by compy222 View Post
      stock engine internals are an indication of overall strength of motor and parts. there are plenty of stock block Evo's and S2000's in this hp range too. it more has to do with proper fuel and boost delivery with good computer control. most modern engines are pretty heavily overbuilt. with that being said, this isn't a car that will take you to and from work everyday for the next 100k miles with no issues. still impressive though.
      I'm well aware of what you wrote. OP should have put it "stock internals" or something not "STOCK motor". You mentioned it too - pretty much any modern car may put that kind of power for a while.

      Inflation: used to be "big turbo BRZ 521 whp!" and now it is "521 whp STOCK motor BRZ"

      That car has almost everything done except internals. Porting or polishing doesn't change parts - I wouldn't still call those STOCK or even stock...

      Disclaimer: I live in a country where chipping turbo engine is legally the same as changing engine...

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