Great article though. The E30 M3 and Integra Type-R are wonderful cars to drive. Have not had a chance to take an FR-S or BRZ for a spin yet.
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The more I look at them/hear about them, the more the Toyobaru twins remind me of the 924S. Supremely talented chassis, pretty ok engine. A little bit of finessing and BAM, darn near perfect.
That would be a good comparison. E30 M3, 924S, B13 Sentra SE-R and BRZ.
I can confirm that the author of this comparo is in his early 40's.Originally Posted by Evo
Losing is just a winning streak in the wrong direction -DD
Watch a headhunter find his own job - 9 month process
The ITR had a talented chassis an amazing engine.
Sorry, unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.
And you say I'M the one that derails threads? Whatever happened to that "what exhaust to get on my 1.8T Jetta" thread? I called you out, you didn't reply. What's the matter, realize that I was right and that you're a bigger dickhead than I am?
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I wonder if all these famed French hot hatches live up to the hype. Sucks that we don't get them in the U.S. I'd really like to thrash one.
DD: 2012 GLI with a friggin' plaid roof.
Summer fun: 1995 M3
Former E36 318i driver and self-appointed Chairman of the Momentum Preservation Society.
I'd still give one of my testicles for an FR-S. It's an amazing little car.
I'll take the Clio!
"As anyone who has ever tinkered with an old BMW engine or looked out on to the wing of a jet can attest, pure response to engineering requirements can sometimes deliver just as much pleasure as a more intentionally aesthetic design process."
But you have to think, would these cars really have such great handling characteristics if they had a bigger (and heavier) engine or a turbo (adds weight, throttle response not as good)?
What manufacturers SHOULD do would be to max out the NA motors that come with these cars and push the 120hp/L boundary. But if they did that, then longevity goes way down.
I just had a BRZ for a couple of days and didn't really think it needed more power either (ok, maybe 25hp bump if at all), it was a hell of a lot of fun wringing it out. As a matter of fact, I thought the car way more fun to drive than the Lexus LFA (engine noise aside) I drove the week before.
And I am jaded from driving 500+hp exotics, I think they are somewhat boring since you can't use the performance on the street (ask the cop who pulled me over in the LFA) and they are boring on the track too since they are so over competent that a mere mortal driver can't even approach the limits of them.
BRZ is a great balance for real world performance, if you think it needs big power, you need to find better roads to drive or stick to pony cars
It seems like most of the complaints against the Toyota in the article came down to the tires, which has been a gripe in a lot of the reviews
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