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    Thread: Cars that "everyone" says are reliable but aren't

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      10-13-2012 02:58 PM #1
      First-gen Mazda(Speed)3.

      Toyota Camry's (especially where engine oil is concerned).

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      10-13-2012 03:13 PM #2
      Honda automatics when paired with V6s*... That's all that comes to mind right now.

      *This may well be fixed in current Hondas. In the 90s and early 00s that wasn't the case.
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    3. 10-13-2012 03:16 PM #3
      Some people will tell you Volkswagens are reliable... They definitely aren't for the most part. Ask me how I know.

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      10-13-2012 03:25 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by slippinclutch View Post
      Some people will tell you Volkswagens are reliable... They definitely aren't for the most part. Ask me how I know.
      My Mk.III ABA is less reliable than my Saab. Guess which has the better reputation for being reliable
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      10-13-2012 03:29 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by BattleRabbit View Post
      Honda automatics when paired with V6s*... That's all that comes to mind right now.

      *This may well be fixed in current Hondas. In the 90s and early 00s that wasn't the case.
      This was the first thing that came to my mind as-well. My mother's '00 Odyssey is getting ready for its 3rd transmission.

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      10-13-2012 03:42 PM #6
      Many Subaru models IMO.

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      10-13-2012 03:43 PM #8
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    9. 10-13-2012 03:50 PM #9
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      10-13-2012 03:51 PM #10
      Old Saabs, Volvos, and BMWs. Everytime I see them glowingly endorsed on here, I always flinch a little. I've owned numerous cars from these makes, and yes, some parts are cheap. Some things are easy to fix...but by and large things go wrong in old 240s, 900s, and E30s that not only are problems specific to them, but also very expensive. Are they strong, well built, and solid? Sure. But they are temperamental machines built for a different time and set of expectations. I never discourage anyone from buying any of these cars because I like them all very, very much, but I feel as a responsible former owner to offer fair warning that they are not reliable in the modern sense. Caveat emptor.
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      10-13-2012 03:54 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      Many Subaru models IMO.
      This. I've spent more $$ on a Subaru 2.5, than on anything that i've ever owned

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      10-13-2012 03:55 PM #12
      I, too, agree with the Subaru sentiment. Also lump in there Mitsubishi. "But isn't it Japanese? Aren't they all reliable?"
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      10-13-2012 04:03 PM #13
      I'll take a '90-93 camry across country coast to coast, regardless of engine, regardless of miles on it.

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      10-13-2012 04:25 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by BattleRabbit View Post
      Honda automatics when paired with V6s*... That's all that comes to mind right now.

      *This may well be fixed in current Hondas. In the 90s and early 00s that wasn't the case.
      '98 through '02 V-6 4-speed automatics only. It affected Accords, the Acura TL, and the Honda Odyssey.

      EDIT for accuracy: Early 5AT boxes had troubles too, '03 and '04.
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      10-13-2012 04:25 PM #16
      Mileage may vary.

      With vehicle reliability- it is a game of numbers.
      Some vehicles - on average- have less issues than others.
      But that doesn't mean a vehicle with a general reliable history won't have unreliable examples, just like a vehicle with a poor reliability history won't have some very reliable examples.
      But in general- the data doesn't lie.
      The only real mistake is taking the experience of one or two examples over all the available data.
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    17. 10-13-2012 04:28 PM #17
      MKIV with auto trans... Been there... The car was a ticking timebomb.

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      10-13-2012 04:30 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by mx07gt View Post
      MKIV with auto trans... Been there... The car was a ticking timebomb.
      VW really should have its own entire sub-thread for this thread

    19. 10-13-2012 04:31 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by manol2 View Post
      This. I've spent more $$ on a Subaru 2.5, than on anything that i've ever owned
      Put over 210k miles on my 2000 2.5RS with only oil changes, plugs and wires, and a clutch. What a POS that car was

      Would probably still be driving it if somebody that was too old to drive had not ran into me and killed it.

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      10-13-2012 04:31 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by slippinclutch View Post
      Some people will tell you Volkswagens are reliable... They definitely aren't for the most part. Ask me how I know.

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      10-13-2012 04:37 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post

      I don't think I've ever heard anyone say any generation Jetta was reliable..

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      10-13-2012 04:37 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by BattleRabbit View Post
      My Mk.III ABA is less reliable than my Saab. Guess which has the better reputation for being reliable
      I've had a mkiii and a mkii; my mgb has been far more reliable than either.
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    23. 10-13-2012 05:27 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by 2Cor View Post
      I've had a mkiii and a mkii; my mgb has been far more reliable than either.
      My mk3 was my most reliable car. My basis for comparison, however, is an e39 540, b4 a4 1.8t and 02 wrx (all were salvaged).

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      10-13-2012 06:35 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by BattleRabbit View Post
      Honda automatics when paired with V6s*... That's all that comes to mind right now.

      *This may well be fixed in current Hondas. In the 90s and early 00s that wasn't the case.
      That's just a specific problem though. Overall Hondas are one of the most, if not THE most, reliable cars on the road. Toyota comes to mind as well. So does Porsche, though maintenance costs...eek.

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      10-13-2012 07:04 PM #26
      I'll say this for my mk2, it hasn't stranded me yet and nearly everything works. I will also continue to spend money on it, but thats the same thing as a new car with monthly payments. I think of it as I paid the same amount to buy the car outright as I would have put as a down payment on anything new and not as cool, and also would have to pay more monthly just to continue owning it than I am paying on average now for maintenance and repairs.

    27. 10-13-2012 07:15 PM #27
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      Hyundai Sonata, Ford Ranger
      I will second the Ranger. Mine was a pile.

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      10-13-2012 07:27 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by DerSpiegel View Post
      '98 through '02 V-6 4-speed automatics only. It affected Accords, the Acura TL, and the Honda Odyssey.
      the 5 speed auto in our '04 v6 accord went and so did the 5 speed auto in the '02 odyessy that we had.
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      10-13-2012 07:41 PM #29
      Ive had my Mk1 GTI for 3 and half years. I bought it used, it is daily driven, only replaced a battery and an alternator. Hasn't left me stranded ever. I don't carry around any tools are parts with me. Im under the impression that any car can be reliable or deemed unreliable depending on the care taken of it. At the end of the day, its an appliance made for use and consumption, so eventually any and every car will break and cease to be reliable. That being said, the FRS has a terrible track record going for it so far, particularly for a new car. The ability to engineer is making certain qualities of cars better in any respect, but the quality of the whole has dropped in my opinion. I dont think that a current economy car in any guise 30 years from now will run like my Mk1 does after the same time.
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      10-13-2012 08:38 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by ModelCitizen View Post
      I will second the Ranger. Mine was a pile.
      Mine was fine despite being abused and neglected.

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      10-13-2012 08:50 PM #31
      Volvo 850s. Excellent body, AW automatic and solid engine? Yes. Everything else, not so much; and the PCV issues make for an important qualification on "solid engine."

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      10-13-2012 08:53 PM #32
      I dont know anybody, not even VW hard fans or fanbois that will state VWs are reliable. I had some reliable ones, actually most. Most of my 16 VWs have been fine engine/drivetrain wise. Very few didnt have secondary issues like window regulators or random headlights dying.

      On the other hand, my fiance has spent more money on fixing a 2004 beige Camry w 75k then i did on my mk4s. Does this mean Camry is unreliable?? Deff not.

      For me, being a car person, i consider "unreliable" a car that will live you on a side of the road any given day, rather then cars that might have window regulator problems. I guess not everybody is like that.

      It came as a suprise to me Subarus unreliability. Wouldve never expect it.


      I love VWs, and would always get one. Older the better, yet i would never recommend it to my father. He doesnt keep up w any maintenace at all. Not even oil changes. Unfortunatley very big number off people are like this.
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      10-13-2012 08:56 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by kingrukus View Post
      the 5 speed auto in our '04 v6 accord went and so did the 5 speed auto in the '02 odyessy that we had.
      Yup...I was going to reply that the 5AT+V6 was also bad, and wasn't really and truly resolved until around 2005.

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      10-13-2012 08:57 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by 2Cor View Post
      I've had a mkiii and a mkii; my mgb has been far more reliable than either.
      Ha! My uncle has a couple of 80s Chevy trucks and vans for himself/his business. His reliable daily is an MGB. MGB's seem more reliable on the whole than most British cars, mainly because they are so simple and unstressed in stock form.
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      10-13-2012 09:00 PM #35
      I've had my MK3 for 8 years, and other than the same window regulator failing (seriously... 3 times on the rear driver's), the car has been insanely reliable... even after the snail.

      Like any other car... I think it's the luck of the draw... my mom's Honda Accord had a 4 cylinder and would of been on transmission #3 and it was taken care of very well. One of my friends had a v6 Accord that he beat the piss out of for 170k miles before he traded it in.
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