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      12-03-2012 12:20 PM #526
      This is just getting ridiculous...clearly, everyone in uproar that people called out shady tactics paid $100. Because misery loves company they think everyone else should have paid. Sorry gang. The community that I want to be a part of wouldn't do what this guy did with "mandatory donation". In fact, I bet the guy would have gotten more support and money if just accepted donations out of the goodness and gratitude of people's hearts. Greed changed everyone's sense of gratitude. Nothing else. Not entitlement attitudes as you suggest.
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      12-03-2012 12:21 PM #527
      Quote Originally Posted by Thedude4bides
      It's principle. Pure and simple. The phrase "mandatory donation" definitely doesn't fly in my book or many others. Now, after I got a code and found out it worked? Sure, I would have happily "tipped" the guy for his ingenuity. Huge difference.
      So semantics spawned 16 pages of complaining? Fact is his change did exactly what it's supposed to do, the first time. There was no going back and forth, it just worked. To me thats worth $100 of my money. Again big thanks to Taylor here for the hard work.

    3. 12-03-2012 12:27 PM #528
      whoa.
      I don't come here for a few days and miss the big one!

      seems this thread has gone the typical vortex life cycle:
      4 pages of everyone loves the guy. 2 pages of questioning the guy... and then 10 pages of complaining.

      Probably the biggest puzzle of the R not only cracked but offered up for a mere $100 donation.
      this is way-cool. kudos to dotuning for stepping up.

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      12-03-2012 12:31 PM #529
      Quote Originally Posted by notquiteanewbie View Post
      So semantics spawned 16 pages of complaining? Fact is his change did exactly what it's supposed to do, the first time. There was no going back and forth, it just worked. To me thats worth $100 of my money. Again big thanks to Taylor here for the hard work.
      I believe "principle" is the right word. Here is something you will not be able to dispute: if dotuning never went the "mandatory donation" route then this thread would be 16 pages of gratitude, awe, and amazement. You may dispute my claim that dotuning would have gotten more $$$ from real donations, but that is neither here nor there.

      Edite; I also wouldn't call it "complaining" (at least on my part), I'd call it "calling out a someone whose opportunistic greed ruined the sweetness of a success".
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      12-03-2012 12:31 PM #530
      Quote Originally Posted by Thedude4bides View Post
      Because misery loves company they think everyone else should have paid.
      I assure you I don't give a rat's ass who pays and who doesn't. However, if you are going to benefit from the guy's work...for free no less...common courtesy would say you don't sh!t on him and the people that are supporting the cause with their money.
      Scotch. It's time.

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      12-03-2012 12:38 PM #531
      Quote Originally Posted by notquiteanewbie View Post
      So semantics spawned 16 pages of complaining? Fact is his change did exactly what it's supposed to do, the first time. There was no going back and forth, it just worked. To me thats worth $100 of my money. Again big thanks to Taylor here for the hard work.
      It's not semantics at all. There's a big difference between "fee" and "donation". I don't know how else it could possibly be explained any clearer than that.

      Anyway, this thread's going in circles. We all have our fix. Regardless of how you got it, Taylor absolutely deserves the credit, end of story.

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      12-03-2012 12:41 PM #532
      Quote Originally Posted by Time for a GTI View Post
      I assure you I don't give a rat's ass who pays and who doesn't. However, if you are going to benefit from the guy's work...for free no less...common courtesy would say you don't sh!t on him and the people that are supporting the cause with their money.
      True.. common courtesy eludes me at times especially when I'm slackin' at work. However, since you did impose the condition "if you are going to benefit from the guy's work", which I have not yet done or do not plan on doing in the immediate future, I suppose common courtesy will have to wait
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      12-03-2012 12:49 PM #533
      Quote Originally Posted by Thedude4bides View Post
      True.. common courtesy eludes me at times especially when I'm slackin' at work. However, since you did impose the condition "if you are going to benefit from the guy's work", which I have not yet done or do not plan on doing in the immediate future, I suppose common courtesy will have to wait
      So, just to make sure I understand, you have no intention of applying the ESC fix to your car. Yet you feel a need to come into the thread and dictate what is right and what isn't?

      Jesus complex much?
      Scotch. It's time.

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      12-03-2012 12:54 PM #534
      LOL this thread keeps going
      I haz too many cars

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      12-03-2012 12:55 PM #535
      Quote Originally Posted by Time for a GTI View Post
      So, just to make sure I understand, you have no intention of applying the ESC fix to your car. Yet you feel a need to come into the thread and dictate what is right and what isn't?

      Jesus complex much?
      Bingo! Lol.

      Well, that plus boredom FWIW, I do intend to disable ESP when I feel the need.
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      12-03-2012 12:59 PM #536
      i just forgot what this thread was about, and feel like i need to ship something via ups suddenly. weird.
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    12. 12-03-2012 01:07 PM #537
      so people know the difference


      donation [dəʊˈneɪʃən]
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      2. a contribution
      [from Latin dōnātiō a presenting, from dōnāre to give, from dōnum gift]

      cost (kôst)
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      1. An amount paid or required in payment for a purchase; a price.
      2. The expenditure of something, such as time or labor, necessary for the attainment of a goal: "Freedom to advocate unpopular causes does not require that such advocacy be without cost" (Milton Friedman).
      3. costs Law The charges fixed for litigation, often payable by the losing party.
      v. cost, cost·ing, costs
      v.intr.
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      12-03-2012 01:46 PM #538
      +1
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      12-03-2012 01:47 PM #539
      Most people especially on this site wouldn't donate if they could get this for free.

      True story!

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      12-03-2012 02:19 PM #540
      True enough. I have no idea who came up with the window's down feature either but I didn't donate anything anywhere there (same goes for DRL disable)..

      But isn't a 'mandatory' donation really just a fee disguised in a pretty package? IE. if you didn't donate $100, you didn't get the code (before it was released for free that is)
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    16. 12-03-2012 02:34 PM #541
      Quote Originally Posted by 18T_BT View Post
      Most people especially on this site wouldn't donate if they could get this for free.

      True story!


      If it makes you folks a bit happier, a base R in the UK is $46k.
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      12-03-2012 02:47 PM #542
      Quote Originally Posted by VR420man View Post
      so people know the difference


      donation [dəʊˈneɪʃən]
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      VW gave us ESP. He figured how to get rid of it........ we are nit a charity.





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      12-03-2012 03:37 PM #543
      Quote Originally Posted by 18T_BT View Post
      Most people especially on this site wouldn't donate if they could get this for free.

      True story!
      Actually, speculation.... but even if you are speculating correctly, and I may be speaking for myself when I say this, but I would have donated had it been set up on a real donation basis, not a mandatory donation basis.

      Quote Originally Posted by goforit2007 View Post
      True enough. I have no idea who came up with the window's down feature either but I didn't donate anything anywhere there (same goes for DRL disable)..
      I can't speak for the past but the only real difference between the tweaks you brought up is that they do not "cripple" the car in anyway as they come from the factory. I'd say what you bring up are "nice-to-haves" and the ESC defeat is more of a "must have" in a track enthuisiasts mind.

      Quote Originally Posted by goforit2007 View Post
      But isn't a 'mandatory' donation really just a fee disguised in a pretty package? IE. if you didn't donate $100, you didn't get the code (before it was released for free that is)
      Yes.
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      12-03-2012 07:47 PM #544
      Why don't we just say that everyone who has already paid funded this guy enough for what he did that everyone else can turn it off now and nobody else bitches and whines about it.

      I was all for paying $100, and I guarantee if APR said they'd include ESC off in a tune for $100, everyone with APR software would have opted for it.

      Let's just say that the knowledge of knowing how to turn it off is worth $20. Everybody that paid the guy can just say they paid for 4 other people to also get it. Then since you have vag-com charge $20 to do it for locals and make your money back. (I will help the 2 other R's in the area out free of charge. I've vag-com'd many peoples' cars, codes.. logging.. the well known VCDS "mods"... and never charged, because I'm just that way)

      Everyone who paid, good for you! Everyone that didn't, you're welcome.

      Can we drop this **** now?
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      12-03-2012 08:10 PM #545
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRon View Post
      Can we drop this **** now?
      I haz too many cars

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      12-03-2012 08:21 PM #546
      Since everyone seems to agree that we should give credit where credit is due...

      Lets not forget the people in the "Quest to bring 2 stage ESP to the US Golf R" thread http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...e-US-Golf-R... did the majority of the legwork for the ESC defeat. Determining that the fix is most likely in the ABS module. They narrowed it down to software coding within the ABS module they just didn't figure out the specific coding. Someone simply gave this information to the dotuning guy and he figured out the specific coding. This was definitely a collaboration and everyone that gave good input deserves credit.

    22. 12-03-2012 08:40 PM #547
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRon View Post

      Let's just say that the knowledge of knowing how to turn it off is worth $20. Everybody that paid the guy can just say they paid for 4 other people to also get it. Then since you have vag-com charge $20 to do it for locals and make your money back. (I will help the 2 other R's in the area out free of charge. I've vag-com'd many peoples' cars, codes.. logging.. the well known VCDS "mods"... and never charged, because I'm just that way)

      Everyone who paid, good for you! Everyone that didn't, you're welcome.

      Can we drop this **** now?

      I would never charge to let someone use my vagcom. That's what mandatory donations are for
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      12-03-2012 09:14 PM #548
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRon View Post
      I was all for paying $100, and I guarantee if APR said they'd include ESC off in a tune for $100, everyone with APR software would have opted for it.\
      But if they all found out after that it was a few digit code change via VCDS, they would be pissed!

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      Quote Originally Posted by BigmountainVMD View Post
      But if they all found out after that it was a few digit code change via VCDS, they would be pissed!
      Exactly lol.
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      12-03-2012 09:24 PM #550
      Quote Originally Posted by BigmountainVMD View Post
      But if they all found out after that it was a few digit code change via VCDS, they would be pissed!
      Quote Originally Posted by BlackRabbit34 View Post
      Exactly lol.
      I'm not...
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      12-03-2012 09:39 PM #551
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRon View Post
      I'm not...
      You would be if you gave APR $100...

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      12-03-2012 10:00 PM #552
      This **** has gotten out of hand. Wow.

      Quote Originally Posted by notquiteanewbie View Post
      I seriously can't believe this thread has turned out the way it has. It's embarrassing in a sense. This time last week we're all banding together to find a solution and enlisting support from the entire car community. Now we ridicule the guy that brings us a solution, and charges a nominal $100 fee. Stop complaining and go do some donuts because wait...you can now.
      Truth is, if it wasn't for him, the other threads would of kept going and all the "figuring out" would of continued, and until someone with knowledge of the coding stepped in, we would of been waiting for VW to act.

      Quote Originally Posted by Time for a GTI View Post
      I'm glad I bought this car for the car and not for the community because I'm disgusted. This is truly a piss poor showing. The guy fixed a problem for us and now everyone is sh!tting on him because he got some money for his trouble.

      Let me say that not all of us feel this way. Taylor, DoTuning, OP, and others associated with fixing the issue please don't think that these whiny turds represent the group as a whole. I paid my money and was happy to do so. Thank you.
      I agree with this.

      Quote Originally Posted by 18T_BT View Post
      Most people especially on this site wouldn't donate if they could get this for free.

      True story!
      This is also true. Say this "fix" was "released" without any mention of donation, I really wonder how many people would go to the guy, ask him for his paypal and donate. Not many, if any. It seems that demand for this was rather high anyway. A lot of us were unhappy we couldn't disable it.

      I'm too lazy to read back but someone suggested the guy should of posted the info and waited till he gets the payment first then release the "fix". Seeing how much trouble this caused, that plan could potentially mean disaster! Everyone would of complained why 300 people had to cough up 100$ for "such a simple fix"

      Did everyone get their code after sending the 100$? Or did you happen to get it and then send the 100$?

      After reading a few posts in the intake thread, I'm surprised we dont have a 16 page thread complaining how the VWR intake has high fuel trims #'s and it had a bigger impact on your wallet than this did
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    28. 12-03-2012 10:11 PM #553
      This thread has degenerated into typical VWVortex. Thank you.

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      As someone who has yet to get the car the only thing holding me back from getting the .:R in the springtime was ESC. When I called the customer care line and voiced my displeasure at this issue I also threw out some "fixes". One that I would have had no problems with would have been getting the defeat as an "option". Checking the box for the defeat and paying like $500 from VW would have been a no brainer to me. I'm not the only one who feels this way. This was a make or break issue for a lot of people. Also when I get my car and I get it flashed I also would have paid HPA, APR, UM..... etc to have it done. Dude did this community a sold so why shouldn't he make some $krilla? Maybe APR, HPA etc solved this but they have not released it for what ever reason. While many peeps put in mad work to narrow the culprit down, dude was the first to slam it home! Mad props Homeboy and in the springtime I will kick you down some $$$ to at least buy your favorite 6 pack!
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      Does anyone know if this would work on a 2013 Audi A3?
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      Hey NOTAVR,

      If you or your buddy can figure out how to keep my radio on till I take the key out of the ignition I will pay you 100$
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      Quote Originally Posted by YoungMedic View Post
      Hey NOTAVR,

      If you or your buddy can figure out how to keep my radio on till I take the key out of the ignition I will pay you 100$
      I found this, let me know if this works...

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      Apologies if this question has been asked before...I did search.

      Is there any way to use VCDS to code the radio so that it doesn't turn off when the car's ignition is switched off? Currently, say I'm waiting for someone, listening to music via bluetooth, and turn off the ignition, the bluetooth disconnects. I have to power on the radio and wait for the bluetooth to reconnect before I can resume listening (first world problem).

      I have the RNS-510, 2012 autobahn.

      http://golfmk6.com/forums/showpost.p...0&postcount=10

      Do the Changing Instrument to Rest of World (RoW) code only. Ignore the rest unless you want that too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by climbingcue View Post
      I found this, let me know if this works...

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by djaikon
      Apologies if this question has been asked before...I did search.

      Is there any way to use VCDS to code the radio so that it doesn't turn off when the car's ignition is switched off? Currently, say I'm waiting for someone, listening to music via bluetooth, and turn off the ignition, the bluetooth disconnects. I have to power on the radio and wait for the bluetooth to reconnect before I can resume listening (first world problem).

      I have the RNS-510, 2012 autobahn.

      http://golfmk6.com/forums/showpost.p...0&postcount=10

      Do the Changing Instrument to Rest of World (RoW) code only. Ignore the rest unless you want that too.

      This worked on my 2012 GTI - the radio and bluetooth will not shut off unless you remove the key
      Hmm I think Im already ROW, Ill go double check though
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      Quote Originally Posted by YoungMedic View Post
      Hey NOTAVR,

      If you or your buddy can figure out how to keep my radio on till I take the key out of the ignition I will pay you 100$
      i don't think there's an accessory on the ignition, only off. not 100% sure but on my wifes fit she has a "2 stage " ignition

      the RoW thing only works on the nav units i believe
      Last edited by notavr; 12-06-2012 at 03:40 PM.

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