Username or Email Address
Do you already have an account?
Forgot your password?
  • Log in or Sign up

    VWVortex


    Page 1 of 14 1234511 ... LastLast
    Results 1 to 35 of 477

    Thread: Not sure this is what VW meant by "Multivan".....

    1. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-10-2012 02:39 PM #1
      I have been wanting a little camper of some sort for a long time. Unfortunately I live in a neighborhood where I can't just park a camper or any sort of "utility" vehicle.

      This means I either need to store a camper offsite or find one that will look like something else when its sitting in the driveway or fit in the garage. I really wanted something that could be used for everything from short trips to the park or long expeditions. So storing something just did not fit the bill. So a stealthy "minivan" style camper would due the trick. It also helped that I'm insanely into motorized vehicles and have a preference for the German style of craziness.

      Always looking for a deal and no minding a project, I set out to find a deal on a Eurovan that might need a bit of love......and found two

      First I discovered this wrecked 1993 Eurovan Weekender hiding in the mountains near me. Totally unfixable chassis. But I filled it away in my head in case I stumbled upon a deal on a Non-Weekender poptop.




      So about a week later I found a 2002 Eurovan GLS in New Jersey that was diagnosed with needing a new set of timing chains. Original owner van. Runs smooth, just won't idel. Offered the guy $1,300 and he took it.

      My logic is that ANY van of this generation is due for a timing chain replacement so why pay $8-$15k more for a running one and still have to do the timing chains





      I drove out to NJ and towed the Black van home. Took the time to visit some friends on the way.

      Then ran home and made a deal on the second van (the white Weekender) for $1,250 Stripped all of the interior and poptop bits off of it and parted out the rest. (made everyone that wanted parts a sweet deal, took any offer made and still pocketed about $1,400



      Off to the recycler after only owning it for about a week.

      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    2. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-10-2012 02:46 PM #2
      Put the 2002 GLS under the knife to get a new timing chain in it. I've done a lot of crazy and extensive jobs in the past but this thing is a chore



      Since the car came from the east coast it has some typical corrosion on any exposed metal parts. I simply can't leave well enough alone so I have been taking my time to media blast every part I take off that needs it and adding some new shine to them

      I know nobody will even see some of these parts but I can't help but mod them as I go.





      This is what happened last time I took a motor out of my Audi S4 just to give you a taste of the lunacy.



      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    3. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-10-2012 02:49 PM #3
      From all the research I've done it seems possible to convert this thing to a manual transmission. The parts exist but are a bit of a Unicorn at the moment. So if anyone has a line on an 02G Manual for the VR6 let me know

      The goal is to build something similar to this. Maybe in a VR6 manual, or TDI swap, and maybe even with syncro at some point.

      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    4. Member VW_Enthu1's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 22nd, 2004
      Location
      Atlanta, GA
      Posts
      647
      Vehicles
      '01 EVW (sold), '03 EVW (sold); Two '10 Prius; '06 Element; '04 Quest (the new EVW)
      12-10-2012 06:30 PM #4
      This...is a great idea for a talented do-it-yourselfer. I thought about it when considering the prices as well as the fact that these transmissions - unlike wine - weren't going to get any better with age. While i am a do-it-yourselfer, I am far from talented and gave up on the idea. Its very doable to find totaled EVW's to get the roof and associated parts and GLS's (and their older kin) are a dime a dozen. I passed because even if I went to the trouble to do it, I would still be stuck with an older VW engine with the associated maintenance issues (non-issues to someone talented). I needed something that I can use every day if I have to.

      I even researched if there was a different vehicle that I could use an EVW roof on easily. Nothing really worked - my hope was to put an EVW roof on a Honda or Toyota or anything else. No luck.

      Keep posting pictures - that's a great project and a great idea.

    5. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-10-2012 06:34 PM #5
      I've seen one fitted to a GMC Safari/Astro van.

      Those are cheap and easy to maintain. Also come with AWD at an affordable price. Just not as "Eurocool" as other options.

      I considered these but at the end of the day I just couldn't see myself really wanting to drive it.

      I also considered Sprinters but the prices are just too high still and I don't think any form of it would "fly under the radar" in my HOA controlled neighborhood. They all look just a bit too commercial.
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    6. 12-10-2012 06:46 PM #6
      Thank goodness your "good" body van is black. I think part of flying under the radar of the HOA is simply to have whatever vehicle NOT painted white, as white seems to be the de-facto standard color for commercial trucks and RVs.

      Second, if your interior is stock, or at least has easily-removable fixtures for sink and stove that you can store in your garage and thus it resembles a passenger van inside more than a camper, you also should be good.

      I would also (within the law) tint your windows so that it's hard to even see in.

      If it's also on your radar to have some nice tasteful rims on the van, I think if you did that and also lowered it a little to make it more look like a freeway cruiser than a truck, that should also help.

    7. 12-10-2012 06:50 PM #7
      BTW if you go on the German eBay and punch in "02G getreibe" there are a few results. You'll still need the shift linkage and pedals, etc. but it's a start.

      2.5L TDI 02G gearboxes should bolt up to the VR6 from what I understand.

    8. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-10-2012 06:54 PM #8
      Yep....glad it's black too Didn't really want one that looks like a typical motorhome.

      I don't think anyone is going to be looking inside it when it's out in the driveway. (Which if I get the lift I want it will get a space inside anyway)

      Windows are going to get a darker tint plus I have all the curtains from the Weekender.

      I'm undecided on lowering it a touch and running these wheels that are currently on my wife's S6 Avant. Which means I get to put even cooler wheels on the S6

      Or doing a slight off road set up with mild lift and slightly bigger tires on the stock wheels since the van will explore the Colorado Rockies.

      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    9. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-10-2012 06:58 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      BTW if you go on the German eBay and punch in "02G getreibe" there are a few results. You'll still need the shift linkage and pedals, etc. but it's a start.

      2.5L TDI 02G gearboxes should bolt up to the VR6 from what I understand.
      The main issue I've run into on the German eBay is that the guy that sells the most stuff there and usually has what I want, simply refuses to ship anything to the USA

      I've tried several times to get him to ship me some of the RS6 Avant bumpers he has for sale.
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    10. Member bigfatgeek's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 5th, 2005
      Location
      San Diego County, CA
      Posts
      437
      Vehicles
      '13 GTI Wolfsburg, '01 EuroVan MV, '91 Miata
      12-10-2012 11:09 PM #10
      *subscribed*

      Eager to watch your progress. I wish I was closer to lend a hand if needed.

    11. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-10-2012 11:10 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by bigfatgeek View Post
      *subscribed*

      Eager to watch your progress. I wish I was closer to lend a hand if needed.

      So do I


      The procrastination has been strong with it recently
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    12. Member
      Join Date
      Jan 1st, 2003
      Location
      Australia
      Posts
      1,094
      12-11-2012 05:47 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Xtremjeepn View Post
      The main issue I've run into on the German eBay is that the guy that sells the most stuff there and usually has what I want, simply refuses to ship anything to the USA

      I've tried several times to get him to ship me some of the RS6 Avant bumpers he has for sale.
      Other options for sourcing include South Africa (there's at least one specialist wrecker/restorer of VW vans there) and Australia. Of course, you might have to pay more...

    13. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-11-2012 05:50 PM #13
      Links?
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    14. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-11-2012 10:23 PM #14
      Here is the actual VW part number for the 02G DYA transmission that should work with the VR6. According to online sources you should be able to order this riot from the vw dealer for about $2,000


      02G300045CX
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    15. 12-12-2012 10:13 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Xtremjeepn View Post
      Or doing a slight off road set up with mild lift and slightly bigger tires on the stock wheels since the van will explore the Colorado Rockies.
      Sprinter size tires will fit with some effort (effort = European T4 PU rear springs and front torsion raised to max, and then some)

      Here my work van's tire next to my "Sunday" 2002 18" Audi rims


    16. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-12-2012 10:16 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by EV99 View Post
      Sprinter size tires will fit with some effort (effort = European T4 PU rear springs and front torsion raised to max, and then some)

      Here my work van's tire next to my "Sunday" 2002 18" Audi rims


      I've seen that picture before but darn it, you never post a picture with them on!

      I could roll a set of 37s on bead locks up next to my van ad take a picture too

      If you get a chance I would love to see the picture of them on! Don't mind doing the work to lift it a bit.
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    17. 12-12-2012 10:25 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Xtremjeepn View Post
      I've seen that picture before but darn it, you never post a picture with them on!

      I could roll a set of 37s on bead locks up next to my van ad take a picture too

      If you get a chance I would love to see the picture of them on! Don't mind doing the work to lift it a bit.


      Hopefully this pic isn't way to big for here (does it re-size on here or no? Let's see...)

      That thing is right now engine-less ready for it's 4 cyl TDI engine and 5sp (I5 TDI) MT transmission. All the parts are here ready to install but just haven't had time and still driving the (engine) donor car...

      The white (02) in the background of the tire pic is key-less lost my only FOB flip-key recently and not willing to spend the $$$ the dealer wanted to make a new one, and still I have no SKC code so... for $30 or so they cut me a new "emergency key" from VIN though so....
      Last edited by EV99; 12-12-2012 at 10:29 AM.

    18. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-12-2012 10:27 AM #18
      Resized fine. Looks good.....and changed color.


      I've seen that picture too. Have both saved in my Eurovan/T4 build file
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    19. 12-12-2012 10:32 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Xtremjeepn View Post
      Resized fine. Looks good.....and changed color.
      What changed color?


    20. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-12-2012 10:34 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by EV99 View Post
      What changed color?

      Well, now that I know you have two of them
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    21. 12-12-2012 10:37 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Xtremjeepn View Post
      Well, now that I know you have two of them
      +the 2 93's I am parting out right now = 4 they are called T4 you know

    22. 12-12-2012 10:39 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Xtremjeepn View Post
      Don't mind doing the work to lift it a bit.
      I will say this though for it to work the (pickup) springs and the amount you have to raise the torsion bar really makes the ride less comfortable than I think you'd want for a "family camper" on my 99 (grey) one I don't care since it's def my heavy duty worker one, but yeah...

    23. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-12-2012 10:41 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by EV99 View Post
      +the 2 93's I am parting out right now = 4 they are called T4 you know
      Yeah. I've been doing lots of reading on the vwt4forum.co.uk and some other international sites including Australia, Germany, France, etc.
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    24. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-12-2012 10:47 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by EV99 View Post
      I will say this though for it to work the (pickup) springs and the amount you have to raise the torsion bar really makes the ride less comfortable than I think you'd want for a "family camper" on my 99 (grey) one I don't care since it's def my heavy duty worker one, but yeah...
      I can see where that would be the case (turned up torsion bars and steep rear control arm angle with heavier springs)

      I spent about 10 years writing articles and building 4x4s for Rockcrawler.com back when it was more of a real magazine. I've even toyed with the idea of just scrapping the entire suspension and retrofitting solid axles using a 4-5 link and coilovers figured I would get it running first and see what I really want to do with the van If I started down the rethinking the suspension route I know momentum would get the best of me and before long it would be riding on 37s and fully locked up with 1 ton axles......


      These would look fine on it right? They were for the Jeep JK project Dan you can see the "Trail Clean up" community project truck in the background.

      Last edited by Xtremjeepn; 12-12-2012 at 10:50 AM.
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    25. 12-12-2012 10:59 AM #25
      Here's how the Germans do it







      Granted this is NOT the T4 (Eurovan) but the T5 that no longer uses the torsion bar and a totally different engine angle too, and a front sub-frame "around" the engine.
      Last edited by EV99; 05-29-2013 at 06:35 PM.

    26. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-12-2012 11:08 AM #26
      I've seen that van and some of the videos. Figured it must have portals on it looking at the wheels, which is confirmed by your picture. Love portals but they have some obviously issues at highway speed. I'm sure that is not a cheap set up to put portals on all 4 corners.

      There were some US manufacturers working on Portal setups for awhile. They were just cost prohibitive and not durable enough for what most people wanted. (I should say the portal box itself was durable but the suspensions they attach to becomes the weak point, especially when axles like Dana 60s get broken around here)
      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    27. Member Xtremjeepn's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 9th, 2005
      Location
      Denver, Colorado
      Posts
      668
      Vehicles
      Porsche 955TT, 951, 928S4, Audi S6, Eurovan VR6, KTM 950ADV, BMW Dakar, Mercedes Sprinter,2x KLR 650
      12-12-2012 11:16 AM #27
      There are Portal axle kits available in the USA, looks like it would cost about 10k in parts on top of figuring out the solid axle swap too.

      Cole Ford
      MotumMagazine.com

    28. 12-12-2012 11:29 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Xtremjeepn View Post
      There are Portal axle kits available in the USA, looks like it would cost about 10k in parts on top of figuring out the solid axle swap too.

      There is a reason why Peter Seikel (who supplies these to Army and other professionals around the globe) never did this on the T4 (torsion bar setup perhaps?)

      This is as far as he went on the T4



    29. Member EUROBORA8V's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 15th, 2005
      Location
      Moscow, Russia/Los Angeles
      Posts
      5,946
      Vehicles
      03 Bora Variant 1.8T, 07 Golf 2.5, 08 Polo 9n3 1.4TDI, 14 Tiguan S 6mt
      12-12-2012 03:52 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by EV99 View Post


      Hopefully this pic isn't way to big for here (does it re-size on here or no? Let's see...)

      That thing is right now engine-less ready for it's 4 cyl TDI engine and 5sp (I5 TDI) MT transmission. All the parts are here ready to install but just haven't had time and still driving the (engine) donor car...

      The white (02) in the background of the tire pic is key-less lost my only FOB flip-key recently and not willing to spend the $$$ the dealer wanted to make a new one, and still I have no SKC code so... for $30 or so they cut me a new "emergency key" from VIN though so....
      Is that a Euro trailer?

    30. 12-12-2012 03:54 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by EUROBORA8V View Post
      Is that a Euro trailer?
      It's a US sold Thule trailer that they no longer sell here...

      This model but I put Honda Civic 13" steelies on it...



      Pic shows Euro model though...mine doesn't have those taillights or triangles.

      Rear looks more like this


      Have been trying to find this type of film faced plywood in the US without any luck so far:



      The thin sheet metal in the bottom of it both "drums" when you drive it empty and is easy to get dented and just isn't a nice solution...
      Last edited by EV99; 12-12-2012 at 03:59 PM.

    31. Member EUROBORA8V's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 15th, 2005
      Location
      Moscow, Russia/Los Angeles
      Posts
      5,946
      Vehicles
      03 Bora Variant 1.8T, 07 Golf 2.5, 08 Polo 9n3 1.4TDI, 14 Tiguan S 6mt
      12-12-2012 05:45 PM #31


      Thule doesn't sell trailers in U.S. period, right?

      Very cool trailer. Proper car steelies do look better.


      P.S. Any problems with importing a trailer from Europe? They are reasonably priced when used there and are much cooler.

    32. 12-12-2012 05:50 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by EUROBORA8V View Post


      Thule doesn't sell trailers in U.S. period, right?
      I think they only have some large special ones now, which are really US trailer with a Thule logo

      Quote Originally Posted by EUROBORA8V View Post
      Very cool trailer. Proper car steelies do look better.


      P.S. Any problems with importing a trailer from Europe? They are reasonably priced when used there and are much cooler.
      I don't think it is very difficult but it is very hard to compete with these China ones when you can get stuff like this for http://www.harborfreight.com/950-lb-...res-42709.html about $250 out the door with sales tax (after some discounts you can usually always get) those are VERY HEAVY and not very good, but they are CHEAP and practical in that they fold up. I've had a couple of them but you have to assemble them. But the Thule is almost half the weight but still can carry as much. The Thule one I have has a German made torsion axle.

    33. Member EUROBORA8V's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 15th, 2005
      Location
      Moscow, Russia/Los Angeles
      Posts
      5,946
      Vehicles
      03 Bora Variant 1.8T, 07 Golf 2.5, 08 Polo 9n3 1.4TDI, 14 Tiguan S 6mt
      12-12-2012 06:20 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by EV99 View Post
      I think they only have some large special ones now, which are really US trailer with a Thule logo



      I don't think it is very difficult but it is very hard to compete with these China ones when you can get stuff like this for http://www.harborfreight.com/950-lb-...res-42709.html about $250 out the door with sales tax (after some discounts you can usually always get) those are VERY HEAVY and not very good, but they are CHEAP and practical in that they fold up. I've had a couple of them but you have to assemble them. But the Thule is almost half the weight but still can carry as much. The Thule one I have has a German made torsion axle.
      Very informative, thank you!

    34. 12-12-2012 11:39 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by EV99 View Post
      That thing is right now engine-less ready for it's 4 cyl TDI engine and 5sp (I5 TDI) MT transmission
      Wait, huh?

      You're mating a 4-cyl TDI motor (I assume of the Mk3 generation?) to a trans from an I5 TDI (I assume Euro VW T4 2.5L TDI)?

      I thought the Mk3-ish 4-cyl TDI would bolt up to a 02B trans (like from a '93 Eurovan) and that the MT from an I5 TDI is 02G (same trans for mating to a VR6 gasser)?

      Or am I confused on what mates with what?

    35. 12-12-2012 11:51 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      Wait, huh?

      You're mating a 4-cyl TDI motor (I assume of the Mk3 generation?)
      Yeah the 058 1.9 block the identical one VW themselves put into the T4 as 1.9NA and TD as you know.

      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      to a trans from an I5 TDI (I assume Euro VW T4 2.5L TDI)?

      I thought the Mk3-ish 4-cyl TDI would bolt up to a 02B trans (like from a '93 Eurovan) and that the MT from an I5 TDI is 02G (same trans for mating to a VR6 gasser)?

      Or am I confused on what mates with what?
      There are both 02B and 02G I5 TDI transmissions out there:
      http://www.t4-wiki.de/wiki/Getriebekennbuchstabe

      The I5 TDI tranny I imported is an 02B one not an 02G.

      While the EV 93 MT would fit the TDI 4 cyl engine it would be a very poor match in gearing, swapping the R&P, 5th gear (and preferably also 2-4 gears) will cost you same if not more as getting a "real" I5 TDI transmission.

    Page 1 of 14 1234511 ... LastLast

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •