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    Thread: FrankenTurbo F23 Project: FrankenTT is go!

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      12-18-2012 03:53 PM #1
      NEW VORTEX LINK FOR ORIGINAL THREAD (per Anthony@VMG)

      Original Thread: http://www.vwvortex.com/FrankenTT/page1.htm

      [Anthony, 12/22/12]


      thank you!
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      12-18-2012 03:54 PM #2
      All -- as you can see, I have re-created the FrankenTT thread and have every intention of restoring the old along with inflicting the new. Mistakes happen, and while the loss of the original thread was a disappointment, I have a lot of confidence that everyone's posts and input can be restored to this forum.

      My love for this 1.8T tech forum is strong. This week's headaches do little to impact that. Thanks to everyone who has contributed, cheered, joked and sniped. You have enriched my advertiser experience greatly.

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      12-18-2012 03:58 PM #3


      At the close of 2012, here is how the car is configured (in more-or-less chronological order)

      Eurodyne Maestro
      Eurodyne Boost Manager WMI and fuel pump control
      FrankenPump in-line fuel pump
      PumpTec 113C high-pressure WMI pump
      42 Draft Designs open-element intake
      42 Draft Designs 3" turbo-back exhaust
      Vertical flow front-mount intercooler
      235/35/19 tires front -- 265/30/19 tires rear
      PowerWheels Pro replica wheels
      Audi S4 MAF (3" ID measurement)
      FrankenTurbo F23 hybrid K04
      Relentless V3 exhaust manifold
      SEM intake manifold
      INA 3" throttle body
      USRT Genesis2 500cc injectors
      Eurospec adjustable fuel pump (set to 4bar)
      Mk6 coil packs
      42 Draft Designs catch can
      Haldex Blue controller
      ClutchMasters FX400 clutch
      OEM dual mass flywheel
      Prototype 2.0L "drop in" stroker engine
      Prototype RS4-inspired camshafts
      External 60-2 crankshaft speed sensor
      AEB head with Supertech valve train
      Supreme Technology Engineering Performance Parameters Display (PPD)

      That's a pretty comprehensive list. And documenting all those mods took up close to 40 pages (for a look at that, click HERE). But there's still much to tinker with. Firstly is performance on straight pump gas. How much loss will there be in power? How much gain in EGTs? Those are questions I'll have an answer for shortly.

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    4. 12-18-2012 05:48 PM #4
      If it helps any, Doug: Backup
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      12-18-2012 06:32 PM #5
      Glad to hear you were able to resurrect parts of the old thread Doug

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      12-18-2012 08:28 PM #6
      Not gonna lie, that cache is impressive, quite a bit is there
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      12-18-2012 10:42 PM #7
      Mad props for handling this whole situation like a pro, and not loosing your cool! Maybe it would be a good time to make a "mod list" of where the TT currently sits...I know I was getting a bit confused with the constant flow of parts and ideas.

      For a great contribution to the community and a great product!!
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      12-18-2012 10:52 PM #8
      Picking up from where we left off, the car received its new rear "shoes" today. Out with the 235/35/19 Goodyears, in with the 265/30/19 Sumitomos. The tires were a very tight squeeze onto the 9" rims, but the guys at my local Mavis were persistent and got them mounted.




      John at 42Draft Designs came through with perfect 15mm spacer/adapters for the 112mm-bolt-pattern rims.




      The tires are approximately an inch wider, and to keep them from extending beyond the wheel wells, the offset was reduced by 10mm. But even tucked in an inch or so, the rubber still clears the interior.




      And the outside appearance is still fairly "stockish", which is what I wanted.






      With that done, the car can go about trying plain pump gas. It's been re-flashed to Eurodyne's off-the-shelf F21 file and logging is already underway. Will post a few pulls as boost is carefully ramped up.
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      12-18-2012 10:59 PM #9
      thats one hideous shock absorber.

      sweet wheels doug.
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

    10. 12-18-2012 11:21 PM #10
      Glad to see you're somewhat back on track. Perhaps post screenshots of the old thread?
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      12-19-2012 12:44 AM #11
      User STOICH has some good ideas for restoring the entirety of that thread. If you click his link above he's already been able to post the whole thing on his own server. I'll work with Anthony about getting the document hosted in such a way that it's searchable here.

      As for the shock: I know, I know. This spring I will modify the car to Audi's "sport suspension" form, which will do away with the old parts and lower the car an inch or so. No more than that!!
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      12-19-2012 01:46 AM #12
      I agree with flamstix, Definitly should put a MOD list in while were still on the first page of this new thread.
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      12-19-2012 12:32 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by doug@frankenturbo.com View Post
      User STOICH has some good ideas for restoring the entirety of that thread. If you click his link above he's already been able to post the whole thing on his own server. I'll work with Anthony about getting the document hosted in such a way that it's searchable here.

      As for the shock: I know, I know. This spring I will modify the car to Audi's "sport suspension" form, which will do away with the old parts and lower the car an inch or so. No more than that!!
      Hi Doug,

      Hmm that shock absorber looks very familiar.

      I think this has to go on the upgrade list as well.

      I am real happy that the Franken TT thread lives on.


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      What happen?? I've been out of the country for a while.

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      Gotta love that Northeast rust

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      12-21-2012 01:43 AM #18
      Very curious to see how those new tires help with traction...also excited to see this thread semi-back up and running
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      12-22-2012 02:43 PM #19
      So with the PumpTec WMI pump out for warranty replacement, I've been experiencing "how the other half lives" on a plain ole 93oct car. And so far, I gotta say...I like it!

      Here are the logs taken as I gingerly raise boost levels. I'm being especially cautious between 3200-4200 where knock always seems to emerge.



      Even though boosting only around 18psi, the engine is flowing over 270 grams/second. That's a pretty big surprise. And contrary to my earlier belief that the power drops off above 260, the Time-To-Speed shows a much stronger finish.




      See how the 90% duty cycle line runs out of steam up top? Well, now it's not doing that. So why? Isn't that right where the WMI-enhanced timing advance should be strutting its stuff? Or is the WMI simply clogging up the (smallish) turbine housing?

      Very interesting. One other note: the exhaust sounds different. It's raw and angry. And a bit louder. In a word: badass.
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    20. 12-23-2012 09:10 AM #20
      It's about time you tune this thing to its potential ON PUMP, how most will use it.
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      12-23-2012 09:45 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Rod Ratio View Post
      It's about time you tune this thing to its potential ON PUMP, how most will use it.
      THIS. I personally am not interested in what people are doing with Race Fuels, W/M, E85, NOS, etc.... 93 octane pump is where it's @
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    22. 12-23-2012 10:59 AM #22
      You guys must hate us brits with 99 octane and 102 on the continent :p

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      12-23-2012 11:00 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
      You guys must hate us brits with 99 octane and 102 on the continent :p
      no hate... your gas prices are not pretty
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    24. 12-23-2012 11:21 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
      You guys must hate us brits with 99 octane and 102 on the continent :p
      It's to my understanding that your octane ratings are different than ours; hence the higher numbers. Your 102 is like our 94, etc
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    25. 12-23-2012 11:47 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Rod Ratio View Post
      It's to my understanding that your octane ratings are different than ours; hence the higher numbers. Your 102 is like our 94, etc
      im not entirely sure how it works, but something like that yes, ours are a tad higher though.
      I know that if you take a european car over there like my S3 it wouldnt run very well.


      To doug, is this the car you tested the N/A cams in?

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      12-23-2012 11:52 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
      You guys must hate us brits with 99 octane and 102 on the continent :p
      Fancy seeing you on here

      As said above their octane ratings are different to ours

      Yes I believe it was the same car (frankenTT) that tested all the different cams

    27. 12-23-2012 11:57 AM #27
      Alright stacey!

      Yeh ive just read that your fuels are 4-5 points lower for the same fuel.
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      12-23-2012 02:12 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Rod Ratio View Post
      It's about time you tune this thing to its potential ON PUMP, how most will use it.
      Quote Originally Posted by Big_Tom View Post
      THIS. I personally am not interested in what people are doing with Race Fuels, W/M, E85, NOS, etc.... 93 octane pump is where it's @

      I completely agree. I cannot figure out why i didn't do this earlier. And I know it's not "technical" to say, but the car feels like...it is happier somehow.
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      12-24-2012 06:27 PM #29
      Not really scientific either, but straight 93 is pure, and let's your engine/tune do its job. Any kind of "additive" (aside from specific gasoline octane) gives the engine something else to work on. I mean, if you think about it, at a given boost/RPM combustion will use a specific amount of intake air/fuel mixture - with w/m you can only have that present at the expense of a certain, very small amount of fuel; again at a specific combustion chamber volume. You're gaining a lot with w/m which should offset any theoretical issues you might have but still, less fuel with something else being burned. Yes you will make more power with w/m and really pushing the turbo, but at that point of modification the engine is nearing the bleeding edge of what it can really do on a given setup, and it might simply feel like that. You tune for it and it gives better numbers but sometimes small things make a big difference...
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    30. 12-24-2012 09:59 PM #30
      I like diesel fuel personally.. Feels/smells manly
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      Gwinnett Beat the Heat's Jetta GLI received its martindale cams courtesy of Doug Thursday and next week the V3 Manifold should be in as well from Rich over at XS Power. Props to them for helping out an awesome cause!! I will be starting to tear down the motor next week and get everything installed and hopefully in about a month or so I can start tuning it with my Injector Dynamics 725cc injectors and water meth setup.

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      12-29-2012 12:16 PM #33
      The weather here in the NYC area has been pleasantly cool for the last few days. So when the roads are dry enough, the FrankenTT has been getting the boost ramped up.

      Here's a look at what the PPD is seeing from the manifold plenum:




      And here are the other parameters for the 93octane setup:




      So the intake temperatures are clearly a point of concern. But that can be remedied by the Garrett core which Ed at ForceFed has standing by for the car. So otherwise the data all look pretty good. even the Lambda is on the money despite ~90% duty cycles on the 500cc Genesis2 injectors. These newfangled injectors are touted for their high duty cycle flow accuracy, and given the logs I'd have to credit them for that. But what about that 280g/s airflow? Time was, I made the pronouncement that anything over ~260 would bottle up the hot side, hampering top end horsepower. So let's have a look at the ole Time-to-Speed graphs. Here is the latest revision, with higher boost, versus previous.




      Uh, oh. It looks as though the top end is starting to suffer a bit. The added 10g/s with this latest file is HURTING, not helping.

      For another comparison, here is what the top end at lower boost/airflow looks like:




      This configuration of stroked motor, Relentless V3 exhaust manifold, & cams is just not helped by airflows above a critical value. Why? While obviously good (and a screamer under the hood), maybe the manifold just isn't sufficient above that airmass. Regardless, the midrange feels terrific. So I'll duck the top-end boost duty down to 65% or so and focus on the middle part of the power band.
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    34. 12-29-2012 12:22 PM #34
      What rail pressure are you running on the 500 cc genesis II's?
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      12-29-2012 12:53 PM #35
      (only) 4bar. When the car dynoed ~320whp early this year, they were running 5bar pressure.
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