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    Thread: I've made a terrible mistake - I need CL advice (also need Volvo sales person)

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      12-19-2012 07:37 PM #1
      Back in September I bought a Volvo C30 w/ manual transmission. Yes I took a test drive and on a uncrowded road it was great but now my situation has changed and I can't stand to drive manual anymore.

      It's a 2013 C30 w/ 2,100 miles on it. KBB doesn't have a value on it yet so I don't know what it could be worth. Would their be a Volvo rep in the CL who might?

      This is the 2nd thing I've felt trapped in. My house is upside down - I'll never make it out of the red for the next 15 years. And I don't know why I bought the C30. Not a bad car just kind of got sucked in. I had to buy a car when I did but I think I should have bought something more sensible...

      I deserve the lashing - but now I feel stupid and in a prison of my own creation

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      12-19-2012 07:40 PM #2
      Man if things are that serious and unbearable just sell it or trade it in and take the loss like a champ and get a car that suits the best to your specific situation, don´t look back.......just move on!

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      12-19-2012 07:40 PM #3
      Your first mistake was forgetting rule #1.

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      12-19-2012 07:41 PM #4
      Good Luck

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      12-19-2012 07:46 PM #5
      Well you can probably get SOME idea by looking at a 2012.

      Edmunds TMV on a base, no options 2012 model with 2,100 miles in outstanding condition in the Chicago area is $19,075 on trade. MSRP on a base model 2012 was $25,825, but they usually sold for at least $1,500 less than that.

      Safe to assume you've lost maybe $5,000 from price paid?

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      12-19-2012 07:47 PM #6
      It's hard to find something more sensible than a Volvo.

      You've bought it, you drove it off the lot. at this point there is really nothing you can do that is financially responsible other than just keep it and try to enjoy it.

      Its the last model year of the C30 from my understanding, but I think its due to lack of demand, so I'd imagine resale is quite poor.

      Personally, I'd make it as close to this as possible:


    7. 12-19-2012 07:53 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by dirtyfingers View Post
      This is the 2nd thing I've felt trapped in.


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      12-19-2012 07:54 PM #8
      If you're underwater on your car, I say, "suck it up!" unless it's physically debilitating to drive your car.

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      12-19-2012 07:56 PM #9
      Few things.

      1) 2100 miles, since September? You barely drive.
      2) You're going to take a hit, but the only person who is going to be able to tell you actual values, is actual dealers. You need to get that thing int a few Volvo dealers (they will likely love it, because of the year, miles, etc, for a CPO car), carmax (if you have them in IL, etc. If you're REALLY that down in the dumps about this thing, you need to get off the computer and make something happen.
      3) What about your situation changed? Driving a m/t isn't THAT bad, in ANY situation, traffic, whatever. I've done it for YEARS, in AWFUL traffic. Maybe just suck it up?

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      12-19-2012 08:01 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by BHB View Post
      Few things.

      3) What about your situation changed? Driving a m/t isn't THAT bad, in ANY situation, traffic, whatever. I've done it for YEARS, in AWFUL traffic. Maybe just suck it up?
      The manual transmission in the C30 is very difficult to shift smoothly, the clutch has absolutely no feeling, and the gear ratios are way too damn close - this is a car that should have been 5 speeds.

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      12-19-2012 08:04 PM #11
      Life in first world is hard.

    12. 12-19-2012 08:06 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by elementpb View Post
      Personally, I'd make it as close to this as possible:
      Modifying the car is less likely to make the OP's car bearable to him than it is to diminish its resale value and make his problem worse.
      call it potatography

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      12-19-2012 08:08 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by dirtyfingers View Post
      The manual transmission in the C30 is very difficult to shift smoothly, the clutch has absolutely no feeling, and the gear ratios are way too damn close - this is a car that should have been 5 speeds.
      An Elevate torque mount helps tremendously. Would be $100 instead of $5000.

      Driving mine in traffic is easy, there's so much torque the car lugs around just fine. Second gear starts are no issue as well.

      Having had many cars, I love my C30 and think you're nuts. If anyone wants to get you out of it, it will be a Volvo dealer for a trade on a new automatic C30.
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      12-19-2012 08:09 PM #14
      You feel trapped because you don't like driving a manual? C'mon, gimmie a break.

      If it were some medical issue or other financial crisis I'd certainly have some sympathy but to be honest your reasoning is pretty damn pathetic.

      If you feel that scared off by a Volvo then sell it and go buy a 6K Toyota corolla or a Civic. Otherwise, suck it up and drive the wheels off the Volvo because you're going to lose money either way.
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      12-19-2012 08:10 PM #15
      There are only 2 options.
      You will lose money on the trade- perhaps putting yourself in an even worse financial position.
      You will keep it. Man up and use 3 pedals on your commute.

      Which one is less painful?

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      12-19-2012 08:11 PM #16
      $119

      http://snabb.us/Short-Throw-Shifter-...C30-_p_98.html

      Snabb short throw shifter has some really good reviews.

    17. 12-19-2012 08:15 PM #17
      He wants to save money
      Needs to pay off house faster

      TCL suggest him mod it. Nice
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      12-19-2012 08:15 PM #18
      Take it to Carmax and take some type of bank paperwork to see how much you owe the bank or Volvo, and do it on a weekday since their financial offices are closed on weekends. There you'll have some sort of value of what your car is worth, their offer works for 7 days.

      Then take it to the dealer where you would like to trade in for a new car and get an estimate and sell it to whoever gives you more; if you sell at Carmax sell the Volvo first the buy your new car. I also think it's a bad idea to trade in or sell it to a Volvo dealer as they probably have plenty C30's available.

      If you don't like the offers try to wait a year, if your car is very low mileage you might even have some equity, if not you'll just have to take the hit but it's worth it as long as you're happy with what you're driving. Good luck.
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      12-19-2012 08:18 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Subwoofers View Post
      He wants to save money
      Needs to pay off house faster

      TCL suggest him mod it. Nice
      sell car and lose $5000 in value.
      inexpensive mod to make car livable: $120.

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      12-19-2012 08:20 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Subwoofers View Post
      He wants to save money
      Needs to pay off house faster

      TCL suggest him mod it. Nice
      Not once did I see that. Moving on, so he should lose thousands upon thousands dumping a reliable, fuel-efficient car that is in warranty and maintenance for 5years/50000 miles for a crappy beater? That would make a $6k '03 Camry a $12k '03 Camry and he'd have nothing to show for it.

      Keep the car, buy the torque mount (once you do that the need for a short shift kit disappears).
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    21. 12-19-2012 08:21 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by elementpb View Post
      sell car and lose $5000 in value.
      inexpensive mod to make car livable: $120.
      "I can't stand to drive manual anymore."

      $120
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      12-19-2012 08:22 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Subwoofers View Post
      He wants to save money
      Needs to pay off house faster

      TCL suggest him mod it. Nice


      Well I was in his shoes once but not a new vehicle and I just didn't like it after 6 months and took a lesser hit than a new car trading it in. Situation change was the culprit.

      Well, if you're a good at lying you can rip someone off on craigslist.

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      12-19-2012 08:25 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Subwoofers View Post
      "I can't stand to drive manual anymore."

      $120
      He's either doing it wrong or a massive *****. Some manual cars aren't fun in traffic, the C30 is not one of those. Total cake.
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      12-19-2012 08:47 PM #24
      Leave the doors unlocked in the hood. The rest should play itself out.
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      12-19-2012 09:19 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by dirtyfingers View Post
      The manual transmission in the C30 is very difficult to shift smoothly, the clutch has absolutely no feeling, and the gear ratios are way too damn close - this is a car that should have been 5 speeds.
      My wife drives our manual C30 almost 80 miles a day in hellish Los Angeles traffic.

      I think you should just man up.
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      12-19-2012 09:21 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      An Elevate torque mount helps tremendously. Would be $100 instead of $5000.

      Driving mine in traffic is easy, there's so much torque the car lugs around just fine. Second gear starts are no issue as well.

      Having had many cars, I love my C30 and think you're nuts. If anyone wants to get you out of it, it will be a Volvo dealer for a trade on a new automatic C30.
      How much should it cost to get the torque mount installed?

      I might look into this if the experience improves enough.

      Any durability issues from always starting out in 2nd gear? The ratios are so close between 1>2 that they could have raised 1st a little and gotten rid of the 2nd gear.

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      12-19-2012 09:43 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by dirtyfingers View Post
      The manual transmission in the C30 is very difficult to shift smoothly, the clutch has absolutely no feeling, and the gear ratios are way too damn close - this is a car that should have been 5 speeds.
      I've never driven a C30, but at 2000 miles, the clutch might not be completely broken in. Drive it a bit more, it should smooth out and the clutch should start to feel more gradual. You'd be making a serious financial mistake to dump it right now, wait it out a bit longer.

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      12-19-2012 09:55 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by dirtyfingers View Post
      How much should it cost to get the torque mount installed?

      I might look into this if the experience improves enough.

      Any durability issues from always starting out in 2nd gear? The ratios are so close between 1>2 that they could have raised 1st a little and gotten rid of the 2nd gear.
      The torque mount is a fairly easy job, any independent shop could do it for an hour or less. You'll fry the clutch starting out in second gear as you'll have to slip it a bit. Pay close attention to how to drive it in traffic. I swear its easy and painless. The best stick car I've had for traffic.
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    29. 12-19-2012 10:01 PM #29
      Manheim MMR on a 2011 C30 is around $17K with 20-30k miles; 2012 C30 is around $19,500 with approx 20k miles. There is no data for 2013 available yet but make of that what you will. I don't know what trim level/options your car is.
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    30. 12-19-2012 10:04 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by elementpb View Post
      $119

      http://snabb.us/Short-Throw-Shifter-...C30-_p_98.html

      Snabb short throw shifter has some really good reviews.
      I haven't tried this particular one but I have never, ever used any short shifter that made shifting "easier". It just makes it a shorter and much notchier throw/higher effort. Not fun in traffic.
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      12-19-2012 10:16 PM #31
      Expect to get about 10% below invoice if you were to trade or sell it back to the dealer. They would have to be dumb to pay more really. Regardless of mileage, the car is used now. If you can get $1,500 off sticker on a new one...where does that leave them in regards to pricing your used one and still being able to make a profit. If they over pay and Volvo issues a rebate on the 13 while that car. Is on their lot, then they are going to go in the red on it. Sucks, but that is the reality. Your best bet is a private sale, rather then a trade. Ebay, autotrader, etc.

      You can go to your local carmax and see what they offer. But it will likely be about what a dealer would offer you. That or you can trade on a car that has a nice rebate and they can show you more on your rather then showing you a bigger discount on the car. Bottom line is the same though...6 on one hand, half a dozen on the other"

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      12-19-2012 10:19 PM #32
      Is it the car itself you don't want, or just the stick? Your dealer may be willing to work with you to get you into an auto C30. Give your sales rep a call and explain the situation.
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      12-19-2012 10:24 PM #33
      You going to probably lose 5-6 grand.

      Option 1- Man up and drive it for a couple years.
      Option 2-Trade it in and take it in the @ss
      Option 3-Sell it yourself which is a pain in the @ss
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      12-19-2012 10:25 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Fettes Brot View Post
      Is it the car itself you don't want, or just the stick? Your dealer may be willing to work with you to get you into an auto C30. Give your sales rep a call and explain the situation.
      I love the car it's just the way the gearing is set up that irritates me. Why did I not notice this on the test drive? Because I went from a Honda Element w/ 4 speed automatic and 160 hp to this.

      Yes it is easy to drive in traffic but the almost negligible gap between the first two gears drives me nuts. And 1st to 2nd is never ever smooth.

      The clutch is very weird.. it probably only takes 1" if that to shift gears - and it's a completely linear experience.

    35. 12-19-2012 10:29 PM #35
      Which trim level is your car and what did you pay? I think anyone suggesting only a $5K hit is light in their estimate.
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