Username or Email Address
Do you already have an account?
Forgot your password?
  • Log in or Sign up

    VWVortex


    Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
    Results 1 to 25 of 78

    Thread: FSi vs. TSi

    1. 12-23-2012 03:11 AM #1
      Hey guys I might be getting a(n) 07 GLi but my brother (he drives a 10 GTi) he is telling that I should wait an get an 09 which it comes with the TSi.... He is saying that the FSi sucks.... Can you guys help me out?

    2. Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 28th, 2012
      Location
      bay area
      Posts
      77
      Vehicles
      2008 wolfsburg
      12-23-2012 03:21 AM #2
      listen to your brother

    3. Member
      Join Date
      Apr 21st, 2008
      Location
      Dayton, OH
      Posts
      4,036
      Vehicles
      2009 GLI 6sp; 2009 Jetta 2.5 5sp; 1997 Jetta 2.0 5sp
      12-23-2012 05:18 AM #3
      Yeah... I understand the FSI is by no means bad, but listen to your brother. And do your research.

    4. Member
      Join Date
      Mar 19th, 2011
      Location
      my spaceship
      Posts
      2,548
      Vehicles
      07 RS4, 08 GLI
      12-23-2012 09:02 AM #4
      depends what you want.

      FSI has more after market tuning but has a couple quirks that need to be watched.

      TSI has less over all potential but is simpler day to day.

      TSI= timing chain

      FSI= Belt

      research the pros and cons of chain v belt


      and when all the TSI kids get pissed following this, keep in mind that VW switched backed to the FSI for all its new performance models
      Pay now or pay later, either way, you pay.

    5. Member NJRe1dGTI's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 30th, 2012
      Location
      Big Pete's House of Munch
      Posts
      446
      Vehicles
      2008 6spd TR GTI
      12-23-2012 12:09 PM #5
      If you are in any way mechanically apt, the FSI can be a fantastic engine, you just need to stay on top of it with some preventative maintenance. If you are looking for an engine that you can leave be and not worry much about, try to find a TSI. It's true that the FSI has more potential; they don't even put the K03 turbo on the TSI, but the TSI has updates to problem areas (most notably the cam follower).

      I love my FSI and I'd rather have it than the TSI. GL.
      WTF... I cut it twice and it's still too short...

    6. Senior Member christofambrosch's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 4th, 2011
      Location
      Pennsylvania
      Posts
      23,758
      Vehicles
      2015 Audi A4
      12-23-2012 01:03 PM #6
      For further clarification, the main difference between the two is the fuel injection.

      FSI stands for Fuel Stratified Injection
      TSI stands for Turbo Stratified Injection

      I can't find the specifics but the angle of the injection was changed for the better on the TSI engine. This also improved the fuel management. Emissions improved, PCV was improved, internals were improved, compression lowered a bit, and some other little things.

      As stated, if you are mechanically inclined, the common FSI issues aren't a huge deal and are preventable. Also, FSI motors have one engine code: BPY. When buying parts that makes this makes things easy. TSI has two codes in the US; CCTA and CBFA. The CBFA is a higher emissions version with a breather on the air filter box.

      Regardless, they are both good motors as long as you take care of them. The old saying of "garbage in, garbage out" applies. Treat your TSI like crap and you will have just as many problems as an FSI that is treated like crap.

      I have had my GLI (FSI) since 2009 with 3,000 miles on it and have only had the intake manifold flapper motor go bad (seems like all BPYs had that issue and even some TSIs) and that is it. Minor oil consumption during the Winter, especially if I push the car hard during the colder months, but I have had no complaints.

    7. Senior Member christofambrosch's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 4th, 2011
      Location
      Pennsylvania
      Posts
      23,758
      Vehicles
      2015 Audi A4
      12-23-2012 01:05 PM #7
      Just found this: Lots of information in here.

    8. Member NJRe1dGTI's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 30th, 2012
      Location
      Big Pete's House of Munch
      Posts
      446
      Vehicles
      2008 6spd TR GTI
      12-23-2012 01:45 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by KIDVersion 1 View Post

      I have had my GLI (FSI) since 2009 with 3,000 miles on it and have only had the intake manifold flapper motor go bad (seems like all BPYs had that issue and even some TSIs) and that is it. Minor oil consumption during the Winter, especially if I push the car hard during the colder months, but I have had no complaints.
      I had this happen in mine too. Covered under warranty and it might have a TSB and extended warranty associated with it as well.
      WTF... I cut it twice and it's still too short...

    9. Senior Member christofambrosch's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 4th, 2011
      Location
      Pennsylvania
      Posts
      23,758
      Vehicles
      2015 Audi A4
      12-23-2012 01:52 PM #9
      Mine was also covered by warranty. Most dealers should stock the part. It's pretty common.

    10. Member bryangb's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 16th, 2010
      Location
      Hanover, PA
      Posts
      15,217
      Vehicles
      '08 GTI, '12 Beetle, '91 Passat
      12-23-2012 05:22 PM #10
      TSI's suck
      // Open Road Tuning
      Instagram: @bryangb
      bags and wheels = build thread

    11. Member sebasEuRo's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 26th, 2006
      Location
      Seattle/Europe
      Posts
      11,373
      Vehicles
      2000 Lexus LS400, 2010 Jetta SE, B6 Passat 3.6l 4motion
      12-23-2012 05:39 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by bryangb View Post
      TSI's suck
      Productive answer. Some of you foum clowns should turn off your internet indefinitely.
      *****AMBER CluB*****
      Volkswagen Audi Group In North America

    12. Member bryangb's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 16th, 2010
      Location
      Hanover, PA
      Posts
      15,217
      Vehicles
      '08 GTI, '12 Beetle, '91 Passat
      12-23-2012 05:42 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by sebasEuRo View Post
      Productive answer. Some of you foum clowns should turn off your internet indefinitely.
      Wanna e-fight?
      // Open Road Tuning
      Instagram: @bryangb
      bags and wheels = build thread

    13. Member sebasEuRo's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 26th, 2006
      Location
      Seattle/Europe
      Posts
      11,373
      Vehicles
      2000 Lexus LS400, 2010 Jetta SE, B6 Passat 3.6l 4motion
      12-23-2012 06:12 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by bryangb View Post
      Wanna e-fight?
      Case and point.
      *****AMBER CluB*****
      Volkswagen Audi Group In North America

    14. Member bryangb's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 16th, 2010
      Location
      Hanover, PA
      Posts
      15,217
      Vehicles
      '08 GTI, '12 Beetle, '91 Passat
      12-23-2012 06:13 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by sebasEuRo View Post
      Case and point.
      // Open Road Tuning
      Instagram: @bryangb
      bags and wheels = build thread

    15. Member sebasEuRo's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 26th, 2006
      Location
      Seattle/Europe
      Posts
      11,373
      Vehicles
      2000 Lexus LS400, 2010 Jetta SE, B6 Passat 3.6l 4motion
      12-23-2012 06:17 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by bryangb View Post
      *****AMBER CluB*****
      Volkswagen Audi Group In North America

    16. Member bryangb's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 16th, 2010
      Location
      Hanover, PA
      Posts
      15,217
      Vehicles
      '08 GTI, '12 Beetle, '91 Passat
      12-23-2012 06:20 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by sebasEuRo View Post
      // Open Road Tuning
      Instagram: @bryangb
      bags and wheels = build thread

    17. Member krux turnNstuff's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 1st, 2009
      Location
      Vermont
      Posts
      137
      Vehicles
      08 GTI.. SOLD my 92 Montana Gti 2.9 VR Swap :(
      12-23-2012 06:29 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by NJRe1dGTI View Post
      I had this happen in mine too. Covered under warranty and it might have a TSB and extended warranty associated with it as well.
      Its a recalled part they replace it if it breaks or if the car is in the shop for something else.. theres like 5 things like this on the FSI I had it in there for one of them and they did them all.. but other than that I have never had an issue with my FSI.

    18. Member
      Join Date
      Oct 13th, 2011
      Location
      Charlotte, NC
      Posts
      544
      Vehicles
      2010 Jetta Wolfsburg Edition
      12-23-2012 10:31 PM #18
      the TSI is VW's answer to all the common problems of the FSI. These things include cam follower, PCV fix, chain driven cams (i think), and revision D diverter valve. do some research on all of these. nearly every FSI driver has had a problem with at least one

    19. Member
      Join Date
      Feb 29th, 2008
      Location
      Tampa Fl
      Posts
      1,286
      Vehicles
      2007/VW/GTI
      12-23-2012 10:42 PM #19
      FSI all day.
      Pag Part Tubo Kit:: Installed. Apr High Pressure Fuel Pump , B&G RS2 Coilovers, Works Vs-Xx Wheels, Pag Part Intake, Forge Adjustable Bov, Big Turbo Eurodyne Software, RS4 Injectors, Eurojet Oil Catch Can Vent To Air .

      My Gti Build:: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...y-Gti-Build-Up

    20. Member zrickety's Avatar
      Join Date
      Aug 28th, 2012
      Location
      Cordele, GA
      Posts
      413
      Vehicles
      09 GTI 6MT, 10 GTI DSG
      12-24-2012 12:29 PM #20
      Get the 08.5 or 09 TSI...you won't be disappointed. It's what they put in the new cars!

    21. 12-24-2012 12:54 PM #21
      hey what does the golf R have?

    22. Senior Member christofambrosch's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 4th, 2011
      Location
      Pennsylvania
      Posts
      23,758
      Vehicles
      2015 Audi A4
      12-24-2012 12:58 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by marzlam791 View Post
      hey what does the golf R have?
      Hey...it says TSI. :rollseyes:

    23. 12-24-2012 01:11 PM #23
      it does say that on the engine cover...

    24. Member zrickety's Avatar
      Join Date
      Aug 28th, 2012
      Location
      Cordele, GA
      Posts
      413
      Vehicles
      09 GTI 6MT, 10 GTI DSG
      12-24-2012 01:50 PM #24
      Yes the Golf R is an oddball. But they do put the TSI in the new GTI, CC, Tiguan, EOS, and Beetle.

    25. Member kern417's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 31st, 2011
      Location
      Louisville, KY
      Posts
      2,360
      Vehicles
      '09 Jetta Wolfsburg 6MT
      12-24-2012 02:36 PM #25
      once more aftermarket fueling solutions present themselves the tsi will be stronger than the fsi. they already make more power with the same hardware w/o an aftermarket hpfp.

      but that will never happen so my post is useless.
      There's a little bit of rice in all of us.

      MK5 COMPLETE PARTOUT

    Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •