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      01-17-2013 08:26 PM #1
      The Washington Post reports that the 1.8T may be reserved for 2015... when there will be a new Jetta.

      Volkswagen says now that the Silao engines will be used for the Jettas and Beetles it builds in Puebla, and the Passats assembled in Tennessee. But with a new Jetta due for the 2015 model year, it may wait for that model to arrive—since it likely wouldn’t be used in an outgoing model with only one year left.
      Any thoughts? The article also reports that the engine is only just now being tested, and that production is only just beginning to start. If that's true, it's totally possible that 2014 may not be the year of the 1.8T. And if the article is right about that, could 2015 bring a Jetta VII? The Golf VII will likely debut as a 2015 here; maybe we'll see a version with a trunk then, too.

      Food for thought.
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      01-17-2013 08:48 PM #2
      2015 is too soon for a new jetta 2016 at the earliest.

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      01-17-2013 08:51 PM #3
      I would have bet a lot of money on that too...

      But the post sounds so certain. They even seem to imply that the info came from VW. We surely would have seen mules out roaming around by now.
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      01-17-2013 08:53 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by GLI4TJ View Post
      2015 is too soon for a new jetta 2016 at the earliest.
      This.

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      01-17-2013 08:55 PM #5
      Cant we just talk about the current jetta? Every thread is whats happening in 2014 or 2015. And knowing vw, itll be nothing.
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      Will there be a Jetta/ GLI VII thread? I got one.

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      01-17-2013 09:05 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by crispy21 View Post
      Cant we just talk about the current jetta? Every thread is whats happening in 2014 or 2015. And knowing vw, itll be nothing.
      They are like lost MKIV people that find their way around Vortex. I'm sure the Jetta VII section will open soon.


    7. 01-17-2013 09:26 PM #7
      Well it'll be important to know by this summer. If I wanted a Jetta, I'd wait to see if an efficient 1.8TSI will be available as the entry-level option for the 2014 Model Year. If it is being pushed back to 2015, I would just snap up a 2013 on year-end sale. It's all about making an informed buying decision.

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      01-17-2013 11:37 PM #8
      We'll know the details of 2014 within 2 months.
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    9. 01-19-2013 06:56 AM #9
      In the announcement for the new Mexican engine plant on the Vortex main page, it was indicated that the new 2.0 would be in Beetles and GLIs by Spring. The new engine should be a good bit better on gas so I would image that they would want to get that out ASAP. It will boost sales and improve their corporate average.

      Since the next generation MQB chassis saves production costs and being lighter will also improve economy, I don't see why they wouldn't at least try to get it out by 2015.

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      01-19-2013 07:24 AM #10
      This is what's happening so far as we know and myself being a tech we get some inside tips from worldwide but as far as I know they said 2014 for the 1.8t in the golf and bettle and they where not sure if the base 2.0 will change for the jetta but here's what vortex has on the cover
      Earlier this week, Volkswagen Group officially opened their new engine factory in Silao, Mexico. Even more significant is that the Silao Engine Facility is the 100th factory worldwide within the Volkswagen Group. This was a significant event for Volkswagen and made even moreso by the attendance of the President of Mexico, Enrique Peña, on hand with Dr. Winterkorn to official start production at the new facility. The Silao facility will initially produce 330,000 engines per year for the North American region. However the plant can be expanded to build upwards of 1 million engines each year. The first two engines to be produced are the all-new EA888 1.8TFSI and 2.0TFSI. Officials at the plant say that they could easily produced 2.0l TDI engines as well, so there is quite a bit of room for expansion. This new facility also helps localize production in the North American region and these engines will be utilized in products built at Volkswagen’s Puebla and Chattanooga facilities as well as Audi’s forthcoming new factory in San José Chiapa, Mexico.

      So far we know Volkswagen will replace the 2.5l inline-5 engine in the Jetta and Beetle with the new 1.8TFSI making 170hp. We also expect the 1.8TFSI to find its way into the Golf 7 when it arrives in early 2014. As for the Passat, Volkswagen is making a final decision whether or not to use the 1.8TFSI or 2.0TFSI as the new base engine. Either way, the Passat’s 2.5l inline-5 will be replaced some time later this year. The 2.0TFSI found in the current Jetta, GLI and Beetle Turbo will be replaced with the newer version produced in Silao later this spring and horsepower will increase to 210hp stock. Expect improvements in fuel economy across the board with these new engines (final EPA testing isn’t quite complete yet). Overall Volkswagen is laying the ground work to localize production here in North America as much as possible. The new engine facility will be able to supply a healthy number of engines to both VW and Audi and help push Volkswagen Group brands towards their 1 million cars per year sales goal in 2018.

      We will have a separate technical article on the new 1.8TFSI (and indirectly the 2.0TFSI as there is only a 10% difference in parts between them) next week. Volkswagen’s press release on the opening of their new Silao engine factory follows below…
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      01-19-2013 07:25 AM #11
      Even tho I have seen base model golfs and beetles with 2.0 engines also so I'm not sure what's happening only time will tell
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      01-19-2013 05:13 PM #12
      They're putting the 2.Slow in the Golf VII? And the Beetle? For what market? 6-cylinder fuel economy with 3-cylinder power. All while burning oil. What a terrible idea to continue using that engine...

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      The typical Jetta lifespan has been shortening if you count 1/2 years.

      MkI ??-84 = I've never known what year the car was first officially offered in the US. I've read 80, 81, and 83 before.
      MkII 85-92 = 8 years
      MkIII 93-99 = 6.5 years
      MkIV 99.5-05 = 6 years
      MkV 05.5-10 = 5.5 years
      MkVI 11-??

      If we don't get a full refresh in '14, my best guess is that the MkVI will be around for a full 5 years. If that ends up being true, we'd see a MQB Jetta VII in 2016. If we get a full refresh in '14 or '15 (think Golf V to Golf VI), then VW could theoretically string this generation along until 2018. I see a case for both directions.

      VW could kill this generation off early to save money in the long run by switching to MQB. In fact, now that the Golf is a little bigger, VW could potentially reintegrate the Jetta and Golf line, saving further money and boosting the Jetta's quality by using much of the Golf's parts.

      On the other hand, I'm not sure that there's financial sense in leaving the Beetle alone on the old platform. It's far too soon for a new-new-new Beetle. In fact, the Beetle could live on until 2024 on the old platform if it takes after its predecessors. Hogging part of the factory for a niche model's outdated platform sounds ridiculous, so VW could give the Jetta a heavy lift to continue that platform as long as possible, saving production costs of another Beetle (or saving the Beetle from a total axe, which its sales probably half warrant, even if the car's main function is as an advertisement to get people into the showrooms). The New Beetle was able to continue on the old A4 platform because the old platform *is* still in use. The current Beetle will be marooned on an old platform if the Jetta abandons it soon for MQB; nothing else uses the Jetta/Beetle platform.

      Whichever way you look at it, I too agree that 2015 is far too soon for an all-new Jetta VII. First of all, we've seen no spy shots of test mules. Second of all, as stated above, it would severely hamper the Beetle's potential for longevity. I just want to know the source of the information from the Times.
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      01-19-2013 06:18 PM #13
      There not making it an MKVII from what the sales men at vw told me it going to be a mkvi with a 1.8t engine but like i said he wasnt too sure.
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      01-20-2013 01:57 AM #14
      In 2004 they released TDI's with the new PD (BEW) engine. They only sold those engines for a little over a year before switching to the mk5 (with a BHW engine.) I don't think VW has any problem releasing a new engine during the last year of a generation.

    15. 01-25-2013 10:01 PM #15
      I just read that the MKVII Golf will be built in Mexico. With MQB production moving down there I would think that it would make sense to move the Jetta onto the same platform sooner rather than later. Of course I suppose they will still be making the Beetle down there on the old chassis so who knows.
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      01-26-2013 08:41 AM #16
      I just read this too. The Golf will go on sale in the first half of 2014 = May/June = 2015 model year. This coincides exactly with the article stating that 2015 would also bring a new Jetta. I would have to imagine that there will be some major Jetta change in 2015 regardless. Most probable would be a massive facelift inside and outside and a transition to some MQB components. Less probable would be a totally-new fully MQB Jetta VII. I still think that we would have seen spy photos of test mules by now. If there are no spy photos by summer, then there will be no Jetta VII for 2015.

      And right now I'm ok with that. Minus horrible materials on the interior, this is the 2nd most attractive generation ever, so I'm in no hurry to see it leave. Following VW's trend of designing bland and occasionally ooogly things (MkV), I'm guessing that we're due for another generation of blah styling before we get another looker from VW.
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      01-26-2013 06:50 PM #17
      The article mentions the "3.6-liter VR6, the narrow-angle V-6 used in high-performance Jetta and Passat versions."

      I'm confused. Where is the 3.6L used in the Jetta?

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