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    1. Member TooFitToQuit's Avatar
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      01-24-2013 07:53 AM #1
      Found a super fresh 'un that I like. I wonder how bad cold weather truly is in one...

      It's an '01 4.0 5spd for $11K. Waiting to hear mileage, but at that price, it has to be low.


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      01-24-2013 08:00 AM #2
      Cold weather is fine in them, the heater is like hells kitchen...if you can deal with the harshness of the Jeep then you will love it... Check for rust on and in the frame rails as well as under the front carpets other then that they tend to hold there value very well, are reliable and fun....I know a ton about these ( having owned 5 of them and currently having one) so I wont go on and on but if you have a specific question ask and Ill be glad to help. My guess is mileage is 80,000-100,0000, if it is clean that isnt bad..from just the picture it looks very nice but it is hard to tell... it is a Rubicon so they command a higher resale...TJ Rubis, LJ's, and LJ Rubis command the highest prices in the TJ market right now.
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      01-24-2013 08:04 AM #3
      That one looks really clean, but is definitely priced on the high side (unless it's got like 40k on it).
      Cold weather ain't bad. Plus you can always get a hard top and/or heated seats for it.
      Ask what brand suspension is on it. What all has been modified?
      Are those 33s?
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      01-24-2013 08:22 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by horsty69 View Post
      My guess is mileage is 80,000-100,0000, if it is clean that isnt bad..from just the picture it looks very nice but it is hard to tell... it is a Rubicon so they command a higher resale...TJ Rubis, LJ's, and LJ Rubis command the highest prices in the TJ market right now.
      If it's an '01 it's no Rubicon. The Rubicon was introduced in '03.

      $11k seems high unless it's really clean IMO. Base model JKs are in the low teens these days. For '11k I would be buying a newer TJ. Just IMO.

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      01-24-2013 08:24 AM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Oliver@triplezoom View Post
      If it's an '01 it's no Rubicon. The Rubicon was introduced in '03.

      $11k seems high unless it's really clean IMO. Base model JKs are in the low teens these days. For '11k I would be buying a newer TJ. Just IMO.
      Yes, it's listed as a "Rubicon look". Waiting on more information.

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      01-24-2013 08:26 AM #6
      Is that the photo of the Jeep you are interested in? If so, I don't think it is a real Rubicon as they started production in 2002 or 2003 I think.

      The TJ Rubicons have 32s, a rear locker (maybe fronts too), a small lift, rock rails, and the 4:1 ratio transfer-case. The got a 6speed trans in the later years - 2004-2006.

      Deuce or TurboMinivan have lots of experience with the TJs

      I was beaten to the bunch on the Non-Rubi callout. It will be interesting to see what it has as all of the Rubicon items are reasonable easy boltons.

    7. 01-24-2013 08:36 AM #7
      cold weather is fine in them. look for rust EVERYWHERE. pull the carpet, its easy. look for a D35, they suck and need to be upgraded if you run anything larger than 32s.

      some came with a trac-lock and anti-lock brakes.

      they are LOUD, bumpy and twitchy on the highway and suck.

      i couldn't stand to DD it, but i have one for a 3rd vehicle and from march-november i run no top no doors.

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      01-24-2013 08:38 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by robhurlburt View Post
      cold weather is fine in them. look for rust EVERYWHERE. pull the carpet, its easy. look for a D35, they suck and need to be upgraded if you run anything larger than 32s.

      some came with a trac-lock and anti-lock brakes.

      they are LOUD, bumpy and twitchy on the highway and suck.

      i couldn't stand to DD it, but i have one for a 3rd vehicle and from march-november i run no top no doors.
      Fortunately my daily commute is 6.3 miles door to door and entirely in city.

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      01-24-2013 08:51 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Oliver@triplezoom View Post
      If it's an '01 it's no Rubicon. The Rubicon was introduced in '03.

      $11k seems high unless it's really clean IMO. Base model JKs are in the low teens these days. For '11k I would be buying a newer TJ. Just IMO.
      Yes you are correct I didnt catch the year but that isnt a Rubi, which the OP seems to know...I wouldnt howeverworry about getting a "newer" TJ... besides minor differences they are pretty much the same unless he wanted an TJ unlimited....condition is everything.

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      01-24-2013 08:52 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Oliver@triplezoom View Post
      If it's an '01 it's no Rubicon. The Rubicon was introduced in '03.

      $11k seems high unless it's really clean IMO. Base model JKs are in the low teens these days. For '11k I would be buying a newer TJ. Just IMO.
      Yes you are correct I didnt catch the year but that isnt a Rubi, which the OP seems to know...I wouldnt however, worry about getting a "newer" TJ... besides minor differences they are pretty much the same unless he wanted an TJ unlimited....condition is everything.

    11. 01-24-2013 08:55 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by TooFitToQuit View Post
      Fortunately my daily commute is 6.3 miles door to door and entirely in city.
      me too. still sucks to daily IMO

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      01-24-2013 08:56 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by robhurlburt View Post
      me too. still sucks to daily IMO
      I'm liking the thought of screaming POWAAAA as I barrel over the rough ass city roads

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      01-24-2013 08:58 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by robhurlburt View Post
      me too. still sucks to daily IMO
      I have to disagree, having daily driven plenty of these you just have to like the vehicle...I mean a long commute sure I hear you but other then that they actually bring some fun to the drive.

      OP go to JeepForum.com or Wranglerforum.com....you will be a well informed buyer after a few hours.

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      01-24-2013 09:17 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by TooFitToQuit View Post
      Fortunately my daily commute is 6.3 miles door to door and entirely in city.
      They are fun. Look for rust on the body seams under the tailgate and on the INSIDE of the frame. Figure out what the gearing is. If it's 3.07, you're going to have a bad time. Try to find one with a D44 and rear LSD.

      The Rubicons had 31" tires and selectable F/R lockers, rock rails, 4:1 transfer case, F/R D44s, and 4.10 gears. The rear locker functioned as an LSD when unlocked. They were very capable. You already know this one isn't a true Rubicon but they are still capable in stock form.

      Brakes are OK, soft top is kind of loud, heater is hot as hell, crosswinds on the highway make you pray, and parts are cheap.

      I'd say buy one (not necessarily this one) and get a bicycle and commute to work. Seriously. 6.3 miles.

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      01-24-2013 09:20 AM #15
      On a related note: why does it take so long for someone to reply to an ad? If you want to sell it, you should be prompt for buyers!

    16. 01-24-2013 09:39 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by horsty69 View Post
      I have to disagree, having daily driven plenty of these you just have to like the vehicle...
      We'll just agree to disagree, its a matter of opinion. i think they suck unless you run no top/no doors to make it fun.

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      01-24-2013 09:43 AM #17
      I drove one to work today on snow-covered roads and did NOT die, burst into flames, or spin progressively further and further out of control due to the short wheelbase.

      So, they're OK I guess.

      Also, mine is a rusty, unreliable, undependable piece of ****. But I like it.
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      01-24-2013 09:51 AM #18
      If you want PAH with big tires, you want gearing.

      For $11k, that thing better be 4.56 and selectable at both ends. Also, the rear diff will be apple shaped, not round.

      For reference, mine was $900. I towed it home, and it had previously unknown life forms inside, but still.
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      01-24-2013 10:01 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by deucestudios View Post
      For reference, mine was $900. I towed it home, and it had previously unknown life forms inside, but still.
      Our stories sound similar, only the previous owner of mine was my father.
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      01-24-2013 10:30 AM #20
      looks like a nice TJ. I daily drove mine for 2 years and had no complaints. The JK's do seem to be a little easier to live with daily but I have plenty of friends & family that daily jeep much older than the one you are looking at.

      Are you selling the Fit?

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      01-24-2013 10:40 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by jetta4129 View Post
      looks like a nice TJ. I daily drove mine for 2 years and had no complaints. The JK's do seem to be a little easier to live with daily but I have plenty of friends & family that daily jeep much older than the one you are looking at.

      Are you selling the Fit?
      Fit is sold and being delivered Saturday morning.

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      01-24-2013 11:21 AM #22
      TJ's: always wanted one.

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      01-24-2013 11:27 AM #23
      They get worse mileage than a Tacoma.

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      01-24-2013 11:33 AM #24
      INB4Brandonwillumz says it sucks because it has coils in the front.

      That being said, I had a TJ with a 2 inch body lift and some knobby 235/75/15's and it was okay to drive, but I went back to my YJ because I preferred the way it drove better. I know TJ's are nicer, but I just like the way YJ's drive.

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      01-24-2013 11:44 AM #25
      $11K may be a bit on the high side, for your locale BUT a low mileage 4.0 with a lot of extra goodies, that price is probably about right for my neck of the woods. I'm sure you can get him down some on price.

      TJs have a lot more refinement than YJs, the Coil Spring suspension rides pretty good, but I've never thought the YJs were that bad (I have a '95 and it's much better riding than any CJ I've owned). The only TJ I've driven was a stock 4 cyl 5 spd and I actually didn't care for the way it drove that much, but at the time I was more accustomed to my ext. cab Tacoma's handling (short wheelbase takes a little getting used to).

      The only thing I'd be cautious of is what kind of Lift was put into the TJ. Quality of Lifts can vary greatly from one company to the next. OME & BDS are regarded as some of the best where Rough Country is regarded as pretty poor. TJs need a "Track Bar" make sure there's not some cheapy adjustable one under there if the stocker was replaced. If the track bar snaps, your handling will go to $h!t and you can crash.

      Quote Originally Posted by patrickvr6 View Post
      They get worse mileage than a Tacoma.
      Umm no they don't it's nearly the same. I've owned 2 Tacomas 1 a 3.4 5spd 4x4 the other a 4cyl single cab PreRunner and the V6 got 18.5mpg and the 4cyl got 19mpg. My 4.0L Jeep was getting 19+ before I lifted it and added 31" MTs, and my 4.7 V8 Cherokee averages 20mpg in mixed driving something my 4.0 2wd 4runner could get on its' best day!
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