Found a super fresh 'un that I like. I wonder how bad cold weather truly is in one...
It's an '01 4.0 5spd for $11K. Waiting to hear mileage, but at that price, it has to be low.
Cold weather is fine in them, the heater is like hells kitchen...if you can deal with the harshness of the Jeep then you will love it... Check for rust on and in the frame rails as well as under the front carpets other then that they tend to hold there value very well, are reliable and fun....I know a ton about these ( having owned 5 of them and currently having one) so I wont go on and on but if you have a specific question ask and Ill be glad to help. My guess is mileage is 80,000-100,0000, if it is clean that isnt bad..from just the picture it looks very nice but it is hard to tell... it is a Rubicon so they command a higher resale...TJ Rubis, LJ's, and LJ Rubis command the highest prices in the TJ market right now.
Last edited by horsty69; 01-24-2013 at 08:04 AM.
That one looks really clean, but is definitely priced on the high side (unless it's got like 40k on it).
Cold weather ain't bad. Plus you can always get a hard top and/or heated seats for it.
Ask what brand suspension is on it. What all has been modified?
Are those 33s?
Is that the photo of the Jeep you are interested in? If so, I don't think it is a real Rubicon as they started production in 2002 or 2003 I think.
The TJ Rubicons have 32s, a rear locker (maybe fronts too), a small lift, rock rails, and the 4:1 ratio transfer-case. The got a 6speed trans in the later years - 2004-2006.
Deuce or TurboMinivan have lots of experience with the TJs
I was beaten to the bunch on the Non-Rubi callout. It will be interesting to see what it has as all of the Rubicon items are reasonable easy boltons.
cold weather is fine in them. look for rust EVERYWHERE. pull the carpet, its easy. look for a D35, they suck and need to be upgraded if you run anything larger than 32s.
some came with a trac-lock and anti-lock brakes.
they are LOUD, bumpy and twitchy on the highway and suck.
i couldn't stand to DD it, but i have one for a 3rd vehicle and from march-november i run no top no doors.
OP go to JeepForum.com or Wranglerforum.com....you will be a well informed buyer after a few hours.
The Rubicons had 31" tires and selectable F/R lockers, rock rails, 4:1 transfer case, F/R D44s, and 4.10 gears. The rear locker functioned as an LSD when unlocked. They were very capable. You already know this one isn't a true Rubicon but they are still capable in stock form.
Brakes are OK, soft top is kind of loud, heater is hot as hell, crosswinds on the highway make you pray, and parts are cheap.
I'd say buy one (not necessarily this one) and get a bicycle and commute to work. Seriously. 6.3 miles.
I drove one to work today on snow-covered roads and did NOT die, burst into flames, or spin progressively further and further out of control due to the short wheelbase.
So, they're OK I guess.
Also, mine is a rusty, unreliable, undependable piece of ****. But I like it.
If you want PAH with big tires, you want gearing.
For $11k, that thing better be 4.56 and selectable at both ends. Also, the rear diff will be apple shaped, not round.
For reference, mine was $900. I towed it home, and it had previously unknown life forms inside, but still.
INB4Brandonwillumz says it sucks because it has coils in the front.
That being said, I had a TJ with a 2 inch body lift and some knobby 235/75/15's and it was okay to drive, but I went back to my YJ because I preferred the way it drove better. I know TJ's are nicer, but I just like the way YJ's drive.
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$11K may be a bit on the high side, for your locale BUT a low mileage 4.0 with a lot of extra goodies, that price is probably about right for my neck of the woods. I'm sure you can get him down some on price.
TJs have a lot more refinement than YJs, the Coil Spring suspension rides pretty good, but I've never thought the YJs were that bad (I have a '95 and it's much better riding than any CJ I've owned). The only TJ I've driven was a stock 4 cyl 5 spd and I actually didn't care for the way it drove that much, but at the time I was more accustomed to my ext. cab Tacoma's handling (short wheelbase takes a little getting used to).
The only thing I'd be cautious of is what kind of Lift was put into the TJ. Quality of Lifts can vary greatly from one company to the next. OME & BDS are regarded as some of the best where Rough Country is regarded as pretty poor. TJs need a "Track Bar" make sure there's not some cheapy adjustable one under there if the stocker was replaced. If the track bar snaps, your handling will go to $h!t and you can crash.
Last edited by 1badMKIrocco; 01-24-2013 at 11:48 AM.
If you don't have to haul a lot of stuff or passengers then they are not bad DD's at all. I have an 01 SE with lockers and 33's and its been re-geared to 4.88's. The only issue I have now is that I am coaching basketball and it gets pretty crowded with passengers and basketballs. I don't drive mine every day though but I DD'd it for about 8 10 years without any regrets.
When I bought my 04 in 07 I drove the crap out of it (75 miles rt commute) for about 2 years. If it wasent for the crap mileage I would still own it and daily it. 33" tires 4" lift and 10.4 MPG
I LOVED driving mine.
Im working on building a diesel YJ so I can have my cake and eat it too...
The floors are not coated and rust easily. So, if you get a good one and like it, try to undercoat it.
Chrysler uses ****ty metal
Last edited by g60vwr; 01-24-2013 at 12:08 PM.
I LOVE my 01 Sport.
The 4.0 is a very well built motor. I have 145,000 miles and the motor has given me zero problems.
They definitely rust, and like people said, the mileage is only around 14-18 (MAAAAAYBE 20 if you're doing it right)
But man are they a blast.
Oh yeah.....Narrow wheelbase...
Even after hitting a telephone pole, she drives like a dream
I am on my 5th TJ. In chronological order, I have owned an '01 4.0L automatic (which I factory ordered), then a '00 2.5L 5-speed, a '97 4.0L automatic, a '97 2.5L 5-speed and (now) a '98 4.0L 5-speed. I intend for my current TJ to be my "forever" Wrangler barring it getting totaled or some other disaster.
Wranglers are not just a car--they are a way of life. The detractors love to point out that they are cramped, ride rough, get lousy mileage and are a poor choice for commuting. Us Wrangler fanatics love how their tidy exterior dimensions & fantastic maneuverability make them a cinch to park, we love the ability to go anywhere, any time, and we adore the wind in your hair, sun in your face experience. Either you're a Wrangler person or you're not... and if you are, nothing else even comes close.
As far as newer verses older, well, there are differing opinions there. I really love the older TJs. As they got newer, some items were upgraded with varying levels of long-term success. For example, the older 3-spd transmission has proven to be much more rugged and dependable than its 4-spd replacement; the older 5-speed manuals (both the AX-15 and the NV3550) have also been shown to have fewer problems than the 6-spd NSG370 replacement.
When deciding to buy a Wrangler, I think the prospective buyer should first decide what features are most important to them. Those answers will guide you in your quest to choose the right vintage for you.
If you can get the last 8 characters of the VIN and the approximate odometer of this Jeep, I'll run it in Chrysler's computer and get you a list of its equipment (build sheet).
What else do you want to know?
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