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    View Poll Results: You're going shopping this year.. A4, 3-series, ATS, Q50, IS. Pick one!

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    • Audi A4

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    • BMW 3

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    • Cadillac ATS

      72 31.44%
    • Infiniti Q50

      20 8.73%
    • Lexus IS

      11 4.80%
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    Thread: You're going shopping this year.. A4, 3-series, ATS, Q50, IS. Pick one!

    1. 01-24-2013 03:48 PM #1
      Audi A4




      BMW 3-series




      Cadillac ATS




      Infiniti Q50




      Lexus IS


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      01-24-2013 03:53 PM #2
      ATS for me. Q50 when the new powertrains come out.

    3. 01-24-2013 03:54 PM #3
      I might be in this market this year, and right now the ATS is the leader.

    4. 01-24-2013 03:57 PM #4
      just realized i forgot the merc. Oh well.

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      01-24-2013 03:58 PM #5
      Having (recently) driven all three of the serious contenders here (Audi, BMW, Cadillac), I can tell you that:

      The BMW is overall probably the better car. The Cadillac is close. A lot (obviously) comes down to preferences, but the BMW's engine+transmission is just so much better than the Cadillac's, that I would give the nod to BMW. The Cadillac's steering feel is better, though. To clarify -- you can't go wrong with the Cadillac. But having driven a manual 328i Sport back to back to a an ATS 2.0t, the 328i did it for me. But both are really wonderful cars.

      The Audi is also a great car, but it feels a bit sloppy and dated. And it's time to update the 2.0t. It is a great powerplant, but compared to BMW's new N20/N26, it feels about a decade old.
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      01-24-2013 03:59 PM #6
      ATS all the way. I really like Cadillac's current direction. The interior looks really nice, and the reviews bear out that the whole package is quite good.
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      01-24-2013 03:59 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by vrsexxy_GTI View Post
      just realized i forgot the merc. Oh well.
      Other than in looks (which it probably wins), the C-Class can't really compete with any of the cars listed, except maybe the INfinity (which I have never driven).
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    8. 01-24-2013 04:04 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Having (recently) driven all three of the serious contenders here (Audi, BMW, Cadillac), I can tell you that:

      The BMW is overall probably the better car. The Cadillac is close. A lot (obviously) comes down to preferences, but the BMW's engine is just so much better than the Cadillac's, that I would give the nod to BMW. The Cadillac's steering feel is better, though.

      The Audi is also a great car, but it feels a bit sloppy and dated. And it's time to update the 2.0t. It is a great powerplant, but compared to BMW's new N20/N26, it feels about a decade old.
      I am amazed by how smooth and quiet the bmw turbo 4 is, it felt smoother than the old I-6, and fuel economy is just excellent. Friend just bought one and i like it very much. I wouldn't say the 2.0t is 10 years behind, i'd say it's the second best turbo 4 in the market in terms of refinement, and despite having only 2011 hp, it still delivers in performance. A4 is the oldest in the group but still an excellent all around car.
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      01-24-2013 04:05 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Having (recently) driven all three of the serious contenders here (Audi, BMW, Cadillac), I can tell you that:

      The BMW is overall probably the better car. The Cadillac is close. A lot (obviously) comes down to preferences, but the BMW's engine is just so much better than the Cadillac's, that I would give the nod to BMW. The Cadillac's steering feel is better, though.

      The Audi is also a great car, but it feels a bit sloppy and dated. And it's time to update the 2.0t. It is a great powerplant, but compared to BMW's new N20/N26, it feels about a decade old.
      Did you drive the 6MT ATS 2.0T? I liked it much better than the equivalent in the BMW. I couldn't really tell the difference to the extent the reviewers have it out to be with the N20..it actually feels less torquey to me than the Cadillac. But to each his own, I guess. The N54 is still my favorite BMW engine.

    10. 01-24-2013 04:11 PM #10
      As for the engine arguement, the BMW one might be slightly better than the ATS stock vs stock, but I have first hand experience as to how good the GM 2.0T can be. My friend has a Cobalt SS that with bolt-ons and a tune that can really run. I cannot ever leave well enough alone so that is always a consideration on my part.
      Last edited by silverlegacy; 01-24-2013 at 04:19 PM.

    11. 01-24-2013 04:22 PM #11
      The 335i is still a nice competitive car. I still would not want spend luxury car money on a car with a 4 cylinder engine. The 328i sounds like a tractor while idling and the Audi A4 2.0t seems like it would feel strained pulling around a heavy AWD car.

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      01-24-2013 04:26 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by 50fridge View Post
      The 335i is still a nice competitive car. I still would not want spend luxury car money on a car with a 4 cylinder engine. The 328i sounds like a tractor while idling and the Audi A4 2.0t seems like it would feel strained pulling around a heavy AWD car.
      Um, the Audi A4 2.0t Quattro goes 0-60 in under 6 seconds. What part of that feels strained?

      And your obsession with cylinders is kind of silly this day-and-age.
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      01-24-2013 04:27 PM #13
      I must be the only person that doesn't like the ATS. I haven't driven them all (not the newest iterations anyway) but I have been in all of them at several auto shows so far. The ATS interior is the worst to me. I wouldn't want to spend any amount of time in that car. The center stack and wood used on the dash just look cheap to me. The rear ingress/egress is the worst by far due to the rear fender well. I'm sure it drives well but with the others being nearly equal in performance, I'd choose any of them over the ATS.

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      01-24-2013 04:45 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by G_RockNYTN View Post
      I must be the only person that doesn't like the ATS. I haven't driven them all (not the newest iterations anyway) but I have been in all of them at several auto shows so far. The ATS interior is the worst to me. I wouldn't want to spend any amount of time in that car. The center stack and wood used on the dash just look cheap to me. The rear ingress/egress is the worst by far due to the rear fender well. I'm sure it drives well but with the others being nearly equal in performance, I'd choose any of them over the ATS.
      You know, I do see your complaints. Really the wood is the only deal breaker for me(not that I'm buying one now, but still). Thankfully, there is a brushed aluminum option. That actually looks quite smart, and blends better with the center stack, with the wood the center stack button layout looks kind of strange. With the aluminum the funky shaped buttons look less out of place.

      For someone with my vehicular needs, the rear door opening isn't a big deal. My needs could be met by a coupe, but I like sedans. My Saab has a similarly tight lower rear door opening. The only person that has ridden in the back of it who had ingress/egress issues was my 92 year old grandfather. He likes sitting in the back of cars, I don't get it, but he's 92 and he can do what he wants.

      Honestly, the thing I like best about the ATS is that you can get it in blue. I know color's kind of trivial, but when most entry level luxury cars are black/grey/silver/white blue seems special. I've wanted a blue car since I fell in love with the Viggen 14 years ago. The blue looks great, is well coordinated with the dash lighting, and really just makes me happy. The 6-speed/turbo four combo is also so un-Cadillac-of-yore too.

      There is one car left off this list though that I probably wouldn't take over the ATS, but would probably take over the rest. It's easily forgotten, also American(ish), and has a lot of the same pluses as the ATS: The Buick Regal GS. The bodywork looks great, the bones are good, the interior looks really nice, it comes in red with a six speed manual(but FWD), and it's a bit cheaper than the rest... It's also better looking than the rest, but that's just like, my opinion, man.



      Yes, I am 22 years old and I just said I would take a Cadillac AND a Buick Regal over an Audi, a BMW, an Infiniti, a Lexus, and a forgettable Mercedes.
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    15. 01-24-2013 04:52 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Um, the Audi A4 2.0t Quattro goes 0-60 in under 6 seconds. What part of that feels strained?

      And your obsession with cylinders is kind of silly this day-and-age.
      I guessing because the car has an 8 speed Automatic the gearing is designed to give it a quick 0-60 time. I bet 60-100 feels fairly slow compared. If you were spending $40,000+ on a sports sedan would you really want a 4 cylinder engine? The 335i's engine is smoother then any 4 cylinder and the fuel economy is not much worse then the 4 cylinder engine in the 328i.

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      01-24-2013 04:54 PM #16
      ATS for me, but I want the 6.

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      01-24-2013 04:55 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by BattleRabbit View Post


      Yes, I am 22 years old and I just said I would take a Cadillac AND a Buick Regal over an Audi, a BMW, an Infiniti, a Lexus, and a forgettable Mercedes.
      That GS is a good looking car. I wonder how it will wear though? That's always been GM's shortcoming. I find it funny that the IS has just been dismissed from the conversation. 2 votes says a lot.
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      01-24-2013 04:56 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Um, the Audi A4 2.0t Quattro goes 0-60 in under 6 seconds. What part of that feels strained?

      And your obsession with cylinders is kind of silly this day-and-age.
      As someone who drives 2 very high quality 4cyls, I agree I'm not paying $40k+ for one.

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      01-24-2013 04:58 PM #19
      None of them with the base motors (except maybe the Q50) does anything for me, so I suppose I would pick that if I couldn't move up to the next motor on the list.

      If I could pick other engine options in the non-ultra high performance category (non-M or RS models), I'd probably go for the S4 over the others. Seems like an excellent car when equipped with the tq vectoring rear diff. The 335 would be a close second and then you have the others. I don't want a 4-cyl turbo in my sports sedan, so the ATS would be out because the V6 isn't available with a manual. The IS bores me in all versions except the much higher performance F model (but it also doesn't have a manual which would probably kick it out of contention anyway). The the Q50 is a bit of a mystery as far as optional engines and performance versions are concerned. Reading about this vehicle on the Motor Trend app, it doesn't look like a manual will be offered, so if that's the case, I would never consider one regardless of the engine or the price.

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      01-24-2013 04:59 PM #20
      Among the listed cars I would just take the IS. I'm not yet buying the turbo-4 is better than V6 or I6.
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      01-24-2013 05:02 PM #21
      Q50 easily. Love the exterior, love the interior, should be a great handler too. Just hope they've refined the VQ37 though.
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      01-24-2013 05:03 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stack View Post
      As someone who drives 2 very high quality 4cyls, I agree I'm not paying $40k+ for one.
      You need turbos in your life. Just sayin'
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      01-24-2013 05:05 PM #23
      I really REALLY like the new ATS. Maybe in another generation or 2 it would edge out the Audi or the BMW.

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      1st choice: Mercedes C class
      2nd choice: BMW 3 series
      3rd choice: Lexus IS
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      01-24-2013 05:21 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stack View Post
      ATS for me, but I want the 6.
      Same.

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      01-24-2013 05:27 PM #26
      ATS for me. Might go test drive one this weekend if I get time. Most likely will be in some sort of Cadillac for my next car anyway.

      I thought the F30 was good. Would like to drive a 328 Sport 6-speed as the 4 cylinder is really fun in that car. I think the 335 would be overkill despite me having one now. I could move down.

      Those are my top two choices.

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      01-24-2013 05:38 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0_Mazda View Post
      1st choice: Mercedes C class
      2nd choice: BMW 3 series
      3rd choice: Lexus IS
      We have a C250 in the house and I really like it. My dad likes it cause it gets great gas mileage. Handling is quite good, steering is typical Germanic, with that weighted feel. It looks great, but I wish it had the lighting package. I like all the choices here, but the pricing is getting out of control . I'm also in this market but I might step down to a CLA 250

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      01-24-2013 05:41 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by BattleRabbit View Post



      Yes, I am 22 years old and I just said I would take a Cadillac AND a Buick Regal over an Audi, a BMW, an Infiniti, a Lexus, and a forgettable Mercedes.
      For some reason, this choice makes more sense to me. This is on one of my friend's short lists (he's 31) and I actually really like this car. The GM interior is still the weak point, but I can get behind the styling of the GS.

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      01-24-2013 05:42 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by caliatenza View Post
      We have a C250 in the house and I really like it. My dad likes it cause it gets great gas mileage. Handling is quite good, steering is typical Germanic, with that weighted feel. It looks great, but I wish it had the lighting package. I like all the choices here, but the pricing is getting out of control . I'm also in this market but I might step down to a CLA 250
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      01-24-2013 05:43 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      I'm not yet buying the turbo-4 is better than V6 or I6.
      Um, the turbo-4's in any modern German sportyish car are far faster and more fuel efficient than the previous I6/V6 (With the exception of maybe the Merc).

      This is what I don't understand. The new BMW N20/N26 propels the portly F30 0-60 in 5.6 seconds (E36 M3 speed with gobs more torque). It only produces about 35 less whp than the 335i, and it weighs less. Also it's cheaper and gets better mileage. And the 335i goes 0-60 only a smidge faster (5.2-5.3 seconds).

      Compare it to the N52 (the old 230hp straight-six in the previous 328i). That car went zero-60 in ~6.7 seconds (eons slower than the turbo four), was a bit of a bore to drive, and go pretty bad mileage. It did sound a bit better, I will give you that.

      Why the hate of the four cylinder? It boggles the mind.

      And yes, if I were to get a new 3-series in place of my 135i, I would get the 328i in a second. With a JB4, the performance is no that far off of an N55 to make the difference worth it, at least to me.
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      01-24-2013 05:44 PM #31
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      01-24-2013 06:00 PM #32
      1. Caddy
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      The Lexus and Infiniti are atrocious both inside and out. Caddy is just okay, I don't much like their center stack layout. Lived with a prior gen Caddy for a week and it just wasnt my style. Audi looks better outside as they finally maybe start to figure out how to make the LED not so goofy. BMW still my favorite inside, which I care most about, but the nose is just awkward.. not a deal breaker for me though. Probably the BMW, possibly the Audi.
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      Who cares. At least he's honest and not a babbling brand whore like some on here.

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      01-24-2013 06:14 PM #35
      I voted 3 series, and would probably choose the A4 second followed by the Q50. After sitting in the ATS at the Philly Auto Show the interior lets what is otherwise a really solid entry attempt by Cadillac.

      Out of interest, is the Q50 coming with a 4-banger this time or just the V6 again?

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