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      04-08-2013 08:39 PM #26
      I called around when I had mine done and $375 was the median price. With the filter it was closer to $500, but that's because the filter on the wagons is bigger and more expensive. Fluid & filter on a sedan should be more like $425. If it's less, they aren't using the correct fluid which is probably worse than not changing the fluid at all.
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      04-09-2013 09:07 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by jddaigle View Post
      I called around when I had mine done and $375 was the median price. With the filter it was closer to $500, but that's because the filter on the wagons is bigger and more expensive. Fluid & filter on a sedan should be more like $425. If it's less, they aren't using the correct fluid which is probably worse than not changing the fluid at all.
      Hmm are you sure there is difference between wagon and sedan transmissions, on 2.0T or 3.6. This is the firs time I hear of this..!!!

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      04-09-2013 10:21 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by B6REDHELL View Post
      Hmm are you sure there is difference between wagon and sedan transmissions, on 2.0T or 3.6. This is the firs time I hear of this..!!!
      Not the entire transmission, just the filter. I don't know about the 09G but the filter on the 09M is thicker on the wagon than the sedan. The two are not interchangeable.
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      04-09-2013 11:02 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by jddaigle View Post
      Not the entire transmission, just the filter. I don't know about the 09G but the filter on the 09M is thicker on the wagon than the sedan. The two are not interchangeable.
      I have 09G, It's good to know that for 09M Trans... Thank you!!!

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      04-09-2013 11:11 PM #30
      Few days ago I bought this for $57 w/shipping 5 LITERS of OEM stuff
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/171018468132...49#ht_44wt_919

      With oem Gasket, and just today I made my own VAS 6262/2 tool (10X1 Bolt with 1/4 hole thru), so very soon my B6 will get some fresh juice in transmission

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      04-10-2013 09:11 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by B6REDHELL View Post
      Few days ago I bought this for $57 w/shipping 5 LITERS of OEM stuff
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/171018468132...49#ht_44wt_919

      With oem Gasket, and just today I made my own VAS 6262/2 tool (10X1 Bolt with 1/4 hole thru), so very soon my B6 will get some fresh juice in transmission
      Wow. that's a hell of a deal. hope the stuff's legit! Good luck with the change.
      why so serious?

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      04-11-2013 03:47 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by trudub View Post
      Wow. that's a hell of a deal. hope the stuff's legit! Good luck with the change.
      I'll found out in next day or two when i get it Anyway seems legit, since seller selling some other oem stuffs.

    8. 09-30-2013 03:14 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by vw_nc_dude View Post
      Here is the notice (thanks to the original poster).

      The problem, it says 2009-2010 models but the thing is we with the older models have the 09G transmission as well. So VW must have decided to play it safe on the newer models but assume that for the older models, if they break, they break after warranty anyway

      I will ask about this notice the next time when I take my car to be serviced.

      I just called my dealer to check on this. The answer i got was: "How many miles on your car?" "94,000" "I wouldn't even worry about it then. If it would have been at 40,000 you could do it as part of an interval", but since your mileage is high I wouldn't even bother". So then I was like, "Well, that's why I think I SHOULD do it. Since the mileage is so high". Answer: "I don't know man. I see what you are saying...".

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      09-30-2013 08:55 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by joakim6945 View Post
      I just called my dealer to check on this. The answer i got was: "How many miles on your car?" "94,000" "I wouldn't even worry about it then. If it would have been at 40,000 you could do it as part of an interval", but since your mileage is high I wouldn't even bother". So then I was like, "Well, that's why I think I SHOULD do it. Since the mileage is so high". Answer: "I don't know man. I see what you are saying...".
      Change the fluid and filter, that's the answer. Unless you are selling the car soon. And even then, do it so you aren't screwing the next owner.
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      09-30-2013 09:27 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by joakim6945 View Post
      I just called my dealer to check on this. The answer i got was: "How many miles on your car?" "94,000" "I wouldn't even worry about it then. If it would have been at 40,000 you could do it as part of an interval", but since your mileage is high I wouldn't even bother". So then I was like, "Well, that's why I think I SHOULD do it. Since the mileage is so high". Answer: "I don't know man. I see what you are saying...".
      Whoever you talked to at the dealer was an IDIOT! Change ur fluid and filter.

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      10-01-2013 09:27 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Bill6211789 View Post
      Whoever you talked to at the dealer was an IDIOT! Change ur fluid and filter.

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      This times like a million!!!!!! Buy the kit off ECS, find a good indy shop, and have them do it.
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      10-01-2013 09:30 AM #37
      Mine was telling me the same thing, but I managed to make them change my valve body and they put new fluid and filter as well

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      10-01-2013 10:55 AM #38
      This reminds me that I need to change mine soon. I'm at 105.6k and put 50miles every day. I have no idea about the previous life of my car except they had not performed any of the recalls, which I had done. So I'm assuming the transmission has never been serviced. It will be serviced by the latest 110k but it's holding up good with no issues. Other than the slow shifts of tiptronic.
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      10-01-2013 03:42 PM #39
      I have an '07 09G wagon and did receive a VW letter recommending transmission fluid changes. IMO there is no such thing as a lifetime transmission fluid. This is also debated for my 330i as well; BMW says lifetime fluid but the manufacturer (ZF) recommends every ~50k fluid change, so the consensus online is to change the fluid per the tranny manufacturs guidelines, not the car brand who's maintenance recommendations seem to be marketing driven

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      10-01-2013 03:54 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by smgs92 View Post
      This reminds me that I need to change mine soon. I'm at 105.6k and put 50miles every day. I have no idea about the previous life of my car except they had not performed any of the recalls, which I had done. So I'm assuming the transmission has never been serviced. It will be serviced by the latest 110k but it's holding up good with no issues. Other than the slow shifts of tiptronic.
      See if your timing belt has been changed also, bc if it hasn't thats due too

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      10-01-2013 04:11 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by thenew3 View Post
      Dealer quoted $350 for flush.

      For what its worth, in my previous vehicle (BMW 328i) it also had a lifetime trans fluid and over 175k miles, I never changed the fluid and never had any issues with the transmission. still shifted as smoothly and ran as efficiently as the first day I picked it up with 6 miles on it.
      Had a '99 Passat 1.8t GLS and it was 12 years old and 180k miles. No problems with that trans. It was a lifetime fill. just my experience. Your mileage may vary.

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      10-01-2013 06:31 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by gstrouse View Post
      Had a '99 Passat 1.8t GLS and it was 12 years old and 180k miles. No problems with that trans. It was a lifetime fill. just my experience. Your mileage may vary.
      The transmission in your '99 was totally different from the 6-speed unit in the B6.

      It isn't complicated at all--if you have a non-DSG 6-speed auto in your VW, change the fluid and filter every 40,000mi. End of story. Go have a
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      10-01-2013 07:08 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by joakim6945 View Post
      I just called my dealer to check on this. The answer i got was: "How many miles on your car?" "94,000" "I wouldn't even worry about it then. Let me introduce you to our sales rep you'll be needing a new car soon." If it would have been at 40,000 you could do it as part of an interval", but since your mileage is high I wouldn't even bother". So then I was like, "Well, that's why I think I SHOULD do it. Since the mileage is so high". Answer: "I don't know man. I see what you are saying...".
      this is probably what he meant.

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      10-01-2013 08:03 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Bill6211789 View Post
      See if your timing belt has been changed also, bc if it hasn't thats due too

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      Will be doing that as well. Any rough estimates of dealer pricing for transmission fluid and timing belt vs a typical indie shop?
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      10-01-2013 08:38 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by smgs92 View Post
      Will be doing that as well. Any rough estimates of dealer pricing for transmission fluid and timing belt vs a typical indie shop?
      At the dealer:
      -Fluid job is around 400$ iirc (someone with an auto trans correct me if im wrong)

      -timing belt job is around 1,000$

      If you have a good euro indy local id see what they can do.

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      10-01-2013 09:24 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Bill6211789 View Post
      At the dealer:
      -Fluid job is around 400$ iirc (someone with an auto trans correct me if im wrong)

      -timing belt job is around 1,000$

      If you have a good euro indy local id see what they can do.

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      If they only pump the fluid out $400 sounds about right. My dealer drops the pan to change the filter and charges $700

      My indie charged 7 hrs for complete timing job, WP, tensioner and serpentine belt.


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      10-01-2013 09:51 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by low_passat View Post
      I'm no engineer so it's a good possibility I'm reading this incorrectly but based off the introduction section it talks about maximum torque at 184 ft/lbs? Stock we're supposed to be at 207 and then a stage 1 tune puts it close to 300 - just curious I guess.

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      10-01-2013 10:42 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by frostydub View Post
      I'm no engineer so it's a good possibility I'm reading this incorrectly but based off the introduction section it talks about maximum torque at 184 ft/lbs? Stock we're supposed to be at 207 and then a stage 1 tune puts it close to 300 - just curious I guess.
      Its known the auto trans has it's limitations. Its been proven to be safe by many people at stage 2-2hpfp power levels id say 90% of the auto 2.0t passat guys on here have at least a stage 1 tune. Once past stage 2 hpfp all bets are off as to how long the trans will last.

      Level10 says a TCM flash is all thats needed for the trans to hold more power

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      10-01-2013 11:04 PM #49
      I am not trying to plead for/against a fluid change, but I think there is such thing as lifetime fill. If the fluid can maintain the properties through the life of the clutches (which will wear regardless of how new the fluid is) then you call that lifetime fluid. A lot of older (5 speed at the most) transmissions on BMW and VW and Mercedes are working good with the original fluid even at 200k mls. To me changing the fluid too often is like washing your brake discs and rims everyday because keeping everything clean will prolong the life of the pads.
      That being said, VW had some issues with the valve bodies in these 6 speed auto, and I am pretty sure the pressure boiled down to "let's recommend fluid changes". It is really hard to tell if more fluid changes will help with the valve body issues, but it's a start. I don't think the fluid breaks down so fast, some cars experience problems at 50k mls or so... I am not an engineer for VW and didn't conduct any testing on those valve bodies with new vs old fluid (but I am pretty familiar what happens in companies when the sh?t hits the fan), but I know that most of them fail because of excessive wear, even at low miles, and because the solenoids don't work good. This is true with a lof of new transmissions, which relly heavyly in the valve bodies, from different tranny manufacturers. Long story short, yes, change the fluid, but don't expect the tranny to last longer just because of that. But like eveybody says, it's good preventative measure.

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      10-02-2013 12:51 AM #50
      Welp, if it's a "good preventative measure" what's it preventing?

      Tranny flush/refill with G055 025 A2 spec fluid to correct AST 6262/2 tool level at correct temperature, plus filter change must prolong overall box life.

      If you'd seen the filings around my pan magnets, the pan itself, and the colour of the OEM factory filled fluid at 52k mile you'd see what I mean. Clutches and solenoids must be the better for it. As well as my peace of mind

      Comparing a Borg-Warner 35, or Citroen's conical belt boxes, as examples from my yesteryear with today's hi-tech 09G is irrelevent. How much power was I losing thru them back then?

      It's only the s&h times from UK to Level10 stopping me doing that flash. Mine's a daily driver Stage 1
      (Nikos has his Audi now as well, grrrrr!)

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