Just a quick question. If you had the money today, and both were out, would you get a 2013 Golf R or the 2015 GTI. Why?
"A car is just fast enough when you stand in front of it in the morning and are afraid to unlock it" Walter Rohrl
Well, under those circumstances you certainly can't go wrong with either! Both may blow your mind...I'd probably say go with the R since it is here now, and the gap between a mk6 R and a mk7 GTI is not so large ad the quantum leap in driving experience you will have, going from your Camry to the R. Plus, it's not an apples to apples comparo since the R is a more powerful and technically accomplished car than the GTI - even the 7 - not being AWD. Consider, though, whether you need the AWD and want to pay the premium...the gti will surely be cheaper when it gets here.
I'd probably choose the MK7 GTI if it was out. Updated interior & exterior, slightly cheaper, performance is close and comparably especially if tuned. But gas mileage would be the deciding factor for me, with the MK7 probably getting 31-33 real world combined (or better) where I'm getting 20-21 in my R driving conservatively.
My bad - I misunderstood your question and didn't note the assumption that both cars were out right now. If that were true, I'd opt for the GTI - assuming AWD not a necessity for you, as I said above. For me, the Mk7 GTI would feel like more of a progression from my current Mk6 GTI (obviously based on my assumptions about how the new one will drive) - the Mk6 R feels just like an "über-GTI" to me - not a knock on the R, at all - as I said when I did a write-up on my experience driving it last year, in many ways it seems like all the car I'd ever need. And there again, you wouldn't have that frame of reference when looking into either of them.
15,000 miles per year, 14.5 gallon tank, $4/gallon
20mpg over a year driving 15,000 miles =$2992.80/year $168.20/month
30mpg over a year driving 15,000 miles= $2018.40/year $249.40/month
The difference is $81.20/month. I know people who spend more than that on lunches a month, or even one nice dinner with the woman.
The AWD is going to be much better in poor weather, and something that will likely save you in situations where a FWD car may be in trouble.
To me, I will never drive anything FWD again as a DD. RWD perhaps at the track.
Bunch of little things that add up. To start, I only want 1 car, so I need an all-around daily driver with some performance vs a performance-oriented car that can handle daily duties (if htat makes sense)
-Wife doesn't drive stick + SoCal traffic sucks = DSG is a 'must have'
-Golf R AWD is AWESOME but "performance pack" GTI with VAQ/LSD is more than enough for my needs
-Irrationally excited about the larger BUT LIGHTER MQB/mk7 platform
-34 hwy mpg in the GTI vs 29? for Golf R
-Taller 6th gear in the GTI is better for hwy cruising.
-Save at least $5k vs. Golf R
20mpg 15k miles @ $4 gallon = $3000 ($2992.80??)
30mpg 15k miles @ $4 gallon = $2000 ($2018.40??)
At the end of 5 years of ownership, you will have spent at least $10,000 less on the GTI. $5k up front and $1k per year on gas assuming you drive 15k a year. The R will also depreciate more because it started out more expensive. That R badge and AWD worth $10-11k over 5 years?
Last edited by Maxvla; 04-24-2013 at 11:23 PM.
If I could have 2 cars instead of 1, I would absolutely have a Golf R as "weekend car/light DD duties" (And it would be stage 2+ at least with HPA comp controller. hahah, and a new clutch shortly after I suppose )
If I could tolerate having a manual, I would absolutely have one also.
The numbers above are seriously off if comparing the current R to the GTI
R 19/27 - 22 combined mpg
GTI 21/31 - 25 combined
Assuming 45% hwy, 55% city
Annual cost R - $2650
Annual cost GTI - $2350
$300 X 5 years = $1500, not $5,000 extra on gas.
'12 Golf R Rising Blue 4-Dr | APR Stage 1 | CTS Turbo Air Intake System (APR Carbonio) | 42DD catted Downpipe | HPA Core Interlock Motor Mount | New South Boost gauge | Diesel Geek Sigma Six SS | 13.5@107(Stg 1) |
I think that the R will VASTLY lose its appeal now that it's also available, at least in Europe, as an R-Line model. Why pay $10k extra for a true R model when your neighbor payed $1k extra for an R-Line look-alike?
Suddenly VW wants to compete with the Corolla S trim and the like, at the expense of the model at the top of Golf hierarchy. It makes zero sense to have a fake sport trim look exactly like the highest trim real deal.
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With same reasoning you would never buy a Cayman S, a BMW 335, 911 S, ATS with the V-6, etc.
I would also never want to hear the question "How is the R and it's AWD?" and have to explain that I only bought the R-Line, not the R.
Last edited by dmorrow; 05-01-2013 at 02:51 PM.
1. It's not a look alike - the R-Line is a mildly warmed over Golf in the looks department, the Golf R looks rather distinctive from the R-Line - the only people who won"t be able to tell them apart are them same who would struggle to tell a Golf from a GTI, from an R etc. - and to them, all that stuff is irrelevant anyway.
2. It's not devaluing anything, in Europe, or anywhere. As I posted elsewhere, the R-Line was already available on the Golf chassis, and the Golf R still sold rather well here and elsewhere. The only people who seem confused by the whole thing are those who aren't close to VW and who had never heard of the R-Line.
If you want to compare cost of ownership, try the Edmunds True Cost of Ownership info:
GTI 5-Year Total: $47,317 (Fuel: $12,340)
Golf R 5-Year Total: $54,447 (Fuel: $15,135)
In this boat, I would absolutely not get a 2015 GTI. It's the first year of a new model built in a factory that hasn't made them before in a country known for less than great quality. At the very least, I would give it a year and get a 2016.
Also, if you wait a year, as mentioned in other threads, the price of a Golf R is likely to fall.
Personally, I would get a BMW 1-series before jumping into this mess, but that model is also in flux with a new one arriving soon.
When you say the R price is likely to fall, you mean because it will be used or are you hoping they will still be sitting on the lots a year from now?
I'm just parroting what others are saying about the R's in a year, mostly because, yes, they're likely to still be sitting on lots.
In another year, if you want a front wheel drive hot hatch, there's going to be a lot of competition between VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes.
So the more appropriate comparison might be:
2015 GTI: $12,340 * 0.82 = $10,119
2013 R: $15,135
Savings from 2015 GTI = $5,016
This additional PREDICTED savings may or may not change your position.
The point about this being a 1st year model* in a plant that doesn't not have the optimal reputation or record is well taken.
*in many ways a 1st year model, if not in ALL ways.