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      04-24-2013 08:03 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Tranzit View Post
      I want lots more fast, but this car was not engineered (forget clutch, but the bottom end is not very strong) to handle even stage 3 for very long.
      Proof? Also, how many ~200ish WHP cars have seen that handle ~450WHP with stock internals.

      (Maybe HPA has some input here? With their BT experience?)
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      04-24-2013 08:17 PM #37
      I believe, it would be wise to upgrade your bottom end if going stage 3 or greater.

      But, if the tune allows for safer power onset and control, you may be able to get away with not needing to upgrade the internals.

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      04-24-2013 08:52 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Tranzit View Post
      I want lots more fast, but this car was not engineered (forget clutch, but the bottom end is not very strong) to handle even stage 3 for very long.

      Proof? OR are you just speculating?
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      04-24-2013 09:03 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Rebellionelite View Post
      Proof? OR are you just speculating?
      You can have 500whp and not blow the bottom end, as long as you treat your car right.

      If you beat on it all day everyday, track the crap out of it, you are going to break something relatively quickly.

      Will leave it at that.

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      04-24-2013 09:14 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Tranzit View Post
      You can have 500whp and not blow the bottom end, as long as you treat your car right.

      If you beat on it all day everyday, track the crap out of it, you are going to break something relatively quickly.

      Will leave it at that.
      Same can be said about MOST cars..

      Hell, that's why I have an "extra" $3k hidden away for my Corrado, lol, I beat the ever living **** out of it.
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      04-24-2013 10:10 PM #41
      This is true.
      But, I really think it is a good idea to work the bottom end if going stage 3 and up.

      HPA, I would realky like a GTX30 turbo kit with water/meth please. I know, lag lag lag...

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      04-24-2013 11:06 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by skddmorse View Post
      That's what I said, I know better... Read what I posted again... I know it has to be changed but I think it is insane that we have to... Volkswagen should have engineered it better.. Before you flame again read the post...

      Volkswagen did nothing wrong...they built the car to handle the power it's designed to put out. They are not going to build something with "extra" output in mind. Don't be so butt hurt...you either pay to play or you sit on the side line.
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    8. 04-24-2013 11:12 PM #43
      AMEN!

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      04-24-2013 11:13 PM #44
      Yeah, but Audi did it with the TTRS. IIRC, it can handle dbl its stock power.

      Shoot, even the mk4 R32 could handle a crap load more power than factory power, just the trans couldn't.

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      04-25-2013 08:14 AM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by flieger View Post
      Volkswagen did nothing wrong...they built the car to handle the power it's designed to put out. They are not going to build something with "extra" output in mind. Don't be so butt hurt...you either pay to play or you sit on the side line.
      He said "butt Hurt"...


      What does that even mean?


      Anyway, I will pay to play as you say but that still does not make it right. Most engineers during the design phases of a vehicle look into things like this and make adjustments to their design to compensate. Some even review sites like this to see what is expected of their next design. As I have stated in other posts I have been in the OEM automotive business my entire career and know that this is not the norm..


      The designer should have caught this prior to launch... It happens...

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      04-25-2013 08:20 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Tranzit View Post
      You can have 500whp and not blow the bottom end, as long as you treat your car right.

      If you beat on it all day everyday, track the crap out of it, you are going to break something relatively quickly.

      Will leave it at that.
      This. There is a Stage 3 car here on the forum that failed due to constant 100 octane. Base Stage 3 should be fine if you treat the car well, but dragging it daily on 100 octane is asking for problems.

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      04-25-2013 11:02 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by skddmorse View Post
      He said "butt Hurt"...


      What does that even mean?


      Anyway, I will pay to play as you say but that still does not make it right. Most engineers during the design phases of a vehicle look into things like this and make adjustments to their design to compensate. Some even review sites like this to see what is expected of their next design. As I have stated in other posts I have been in the OEM automotive business my entire career and know that this is not the norm..


      The designer should have caught this prior to launch... It happens...
      Tell me which vehicle manufacturer designs their cars to handle nearly twice the power output of stock levels and I'll switch brand loyalty.
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      04-25-2013 11:16 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRon View Post
      Tell me which vehicle manufacturer designs their cars to handle nearly twice the power output of stock levels and I'll switch brand loyalty.
      Isn't the TTRS motor capable of handling ~750hp? Not sure about their trans though.

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      04-25-2013 11:28 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRon View Post
      Tell me which vehicle manufacturer designs their cars to handle nearly twice the power output of stock levels and I'll switch brand loyalty.
      Both my Mitsubishi Evo and Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart run more then twice their stock output, stock motors. The Evo has been doing this for 7+ years now. I've also tuned a good amount at twice the power that are still ticking.

      That said, both of them have upgraded injectors and fuel pumps, and other bits of course, but the motor internals are still factory stock.

      I can't think of any 2.0L Turbocharged automobiles that do not have to upgrade their LP fuel pump at some point, usually at around 60-100hp more then stock.

      That said, the R does have to upgrade it's HP fuel pump pretty quickly, but that is the nature of it's design, since it is DI and cam driven. I believe the MS3 has to do this as well.

      I'm honestly not sure why this guy is complaining about having to upgrade the HPFP when striving for a good amount more power. You DO NOT have to if you make a nice little jump from stock, but after that, you do. Pay to play. You want more then 50-70hp over stock? Then you need to upgrade your HPFP.

      Again, find a 2L 4cyl turbocharged car where you do not have to do this, buy it, then tell us about it.
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      04-25-2013 11:32 PM #50
      think stew (back from the mk4 r32 days) blew up his evo with less than dbl it's power around 2006+/-?

      but, he was probably another scottisha or worse.

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      04-25-2013 11:33 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Tranzit View Post
      think stew (back from the mk4 r32 days) blew up his evo with less that dbl it's power around 2006?

      but, he was probably another scottisha or worse.
      You can blow up Evo's 100% stock with just a tune if the tune is crap, much like any car.

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      04-25-2013 11:34 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by rlab View Post
      You can blow up Evo's 100% stock with just a tune if the tune is crap, much like any car.
      I don't recall which tune he went with, but he was not known to skimp on things like that.

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      04-25-2013 11:36 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by Tranzit View Post
      I don't recall which tune he went with, but he was not known to skimp on things like that.

      Well, like anything, some are good, some are bad.

      I've owned one that has stuck together since 2005 and I've tuned hundreds that have done the same.

      Either way, we are going slightly off topic now.

    19. 04-26-2013 12:46 AM #54
      the old 24v VR6 was a pretty stout motor and didn't have to be rebuilt unless you were going nuts. I personally had a Vf engineering stage 2 kit on my old 24v with WM. I dynod 277whp which equates to around 320bhp so only 120 more than stock but that thing ran like a top for 80k+ miles until I sold it, and considering its currently for sale and still running, I think that motor was capable of handling a lot. of course a lot of the turbo guys built their motors but they were going well over 400hp

      either way like was mentioned direct injection is a different animal than port injection requires totally different fueling specs, the pressure needs to be so high to make sure the spray pattern is proper to create efficient combustion. you haven't had to upgrade this part on any of your other cars because your other cars didn't have this technology. if you don't want a lot of low end torque and no dying off at high rpms with an aftermarket tune then don't upgrade this part, nobody is twisting your arm and making you do something.

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      04-26-2013 08:43 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by Tranzit View Post
      Isn't the TTRS motor capable of handling ~750hp? Not sure about their trans though.
      I was talking about including everything on the motor.. stock... and I doubt the TTRS will do 750 HP on a stock fuel pump. Also, if it's tuned to that power with stock internals, I wouldn't drive it much.... would like for the engine to hold at least a month, ha ha.
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      04-26-2013 08:59 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRon View Post
      Tell me which vehicle manufacturer designs their cars to handle nearly twice the power output of stock levels and I'll switch brand loyalty.


      We are not talking twice the power... You have to upgrade your HPFP to get 100 hp....

      I love my VW but that just shouldn't be....

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      04-26-2013 09:01 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by skddmorse View Post
      We are not talking twice the power... You have to upgrade your HPFP to get 100 hp....

      I love my VW but that just shouldn't be....
      I do agree with you, I think the parts of the car should handle the limits of the motor/turbo, but this is not a perfect world.

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      04-26-2013 09:19 AM #58
      wah wah wah

      That's all I hear.

    24. 04-26-2013 09:22 AM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by Tranzit View Post
      think stew (back from the mk4 r32 days) blew up his evo with less than dbl it's power around 2006+/-?

      but, he was probably another scottisha or worse.
      Yes he did... Man I miss that guy.... But it's all about the tune. Or if something went wrong to hurt the tune. If you talk to home tell him to hit me up.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tranzit View Post
      think stew (back from the mk4 r32 days) blew up his evo with less than dbl it's power around 2006+/-?

      but, he was probably another scottisha or worse.
      Yes he did... Man I miss that guy.... But it's all about the tune. Or if something went wrong to hurt the tune. If you talk to home tell him to hit me up.
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      04-26-2013 12:00 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by VR420man View Post
      Yes he did... Man I miss that guy.... But it's all about the tune. Or if something went wrong to hurt the tune. If you talk to home tell him to hit me up.
      Probably...
      I really miss his presence on this site.
      Haven't spoken to him in over 3 yrs.
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      04-26-2013 12:09 PM #62
      Can we not derail the thread any further.

      If you guys want to go down nostalgia lane feel free, but this isn't really the thread for it.

      HPFP Come get, regardless if you like that you have to replace it you DO if you wan't to make decent power gains.

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      04-26-2013 06:02 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by Sales@HPAmotorsports View Post
      Do you really want to trust your engines fueling to the cheapest alternative?

      For a number of reasons this is a bad idea, you certainly don't want the pump to fail, loose pressure, mix gas in with your oil, any number of things can go wrong this is not one of the places to cheap out on something.

      After seeing hundreds of failed HPFP from the much cheaper routes out there, I'll second this without a doubt!

      Heck, we're even direct competitors on this product and our prices are very similar.

      This is one area you don't want to cheep out.
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      04-26-2013 06:54 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
      After seeing hundreds of failed HPFP from the much cheaper routes out there, I'll second this without a doubt!

      Heck, we're even direct competitors on this product and our prices are very similar.

      This is one area you don't want to cheep out.


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      Quote Originally Posted by high_octaneGTI View Post
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      05-05-2013 05:28 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by skddmorse View Post
      I guess my point is lost on here but yes I will spend the $350 and build my own... I really do want more fast.....
      I get your point man.

      Having to spend more money for a fuel pump to make a bit more power is ridiculous!

      It is what it is.... you would think VW would figure it out by now that most people who buy "performance golf's" are not going to leave them stock.

      I mean they knew what they were doing because there are forged parts in our Golf R's! How the hell do you build the motor that can handle higher hp but don't match up a fuel pump that can support it????
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      Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
      This is one area you don't want to cheap out.

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