Post your verified spring rates here

[slogtiguy]

The konis are set at 3/5 front and 2/5 rear, and the springs are the vogtland sport springs which can be found earlier in this post. They're 200-300lb./in. front and 170-230lb./in. rear. Assisting them are polyu. LCA bushings and a lower front tie bar.

[sccaITA16V]

Ha Ha, I finally won something!! I got you all beat. Shine racing only coilovers with 600 front and 400 rear. And I shamelessly endorse Mr. Shines products, professionalism and knowledge of our endearing VW cars.

Quote, originally posted by Stephane Trahan »

All professionnaly race fwd cars in NA usually run a front to rear factor of 2-3 to 2-5 rate factor...my cars use 800f and 1200r...most acuras (realtime and all) range from 750f-1100r to 1000f to 3000r. [Modified by Stephane Trahan, 7:07 AM 4-8-2003]

Also wanted to clarify why this set-up won't work on a VW. Hondas and Acuras have the spring/coil over located only half-way down the length of the rear control arm reducing its "leverage" acting on the rear suspension, therefore it needs almost TWICE the rear spring rate as a VW to achieve about the same effective rate. Make sense to you?

have fun and play safe

[Phobia16V]

Shine Racing RealStreet
1988 Jetta GLI 16V
Linear
200lbs fr
120lbs rr

+Bilstein Sports = perfect for "agressive" street driving.

[TarmacSpecial]

So, any A1 spring rates?

Here's my setup....

I'm running Ground Control/Eibach at 300F, and 200R, with 22mmF and 28mmR solid sway bars. Bilstein sport dampers (came with the car). The car is setup arms level with a very slight droop in the back. I also "sag balanced" the suspension by taking ride height measurements before and while I was in the car, and then adjusting the perches so that it would sit equally L/R when I was in it. It's crude but better than nothing.

I am pretty happy with it so far.

[stocky1.8s]

I was a SRSVW this week
A great atmosphere to hang out and ask alot of questions:

The front Eibach's pros for 2001 B5 were 290 as measured by Dick
about 27% stiffer than the stock front springs
What a difference

The interesting thing is the previous b5 guy who had a suspension upgrade at Shine
had much stiffer stock springs to start with. (i think i have this right)
but his Eibach's were also 290
good QC from Eibach IMHO

I can't remember the rear numbers....

I Also got the Shine Bar -The passat does almost no"plowing" in the turns

[9VW23yrs]

KW published front coil over spring rates
Available rates, first number = rate in N/mm; second number =spring length in mm.

50-170 =285 lb/inch
60-170 =342 lb/inch
70-170 =400 lb/inch these are the ones mine came with for 4cyl mk4 G/J
80-170 =457 lb/inch
90-170 =514 lb inch
100-170 =571 lb/inch
110-170 =628 lb/inch
120-170 =685 lb/inch

What spring number (xx-170)do the ones for the 6cyl mk4 have ?

[woodyVR6]

okay..it is becoming increasingly difficult to decipher posted spring rates in the quagmire of aimless chatting.....so can somebody please delineate these spring rates for me: Neuspeed race springs for mk3 VR6 and the Ground Control basic sleeve-over kit for mk3 VR6?
Thank you!


Modified by woodyVR6 at 6:58 PM 6-1-2003

[melman8r]

alexb,
Where's the H&R rates??

[genxguy]

bringing it back from archives...

[hndaklr]

[alexb75]

Quote, originally posted by melman8r »

alexb, Where's the H&R rates??

Well, I was away for a month (Europe) and didn't visit Vortex. I've been after getting the H&R rates, but was not successfull so far. I've been told that they're not going to publish their rates so other companies won't copy their rates. I've called and followed at every level. The closest thing I could get was that Nuespeed used to have H&R as supplier and their springs are close to what they had before with H&R. H&R supposed to be a little softer than Nuespeed, so Nuespeed rates give or take a few.

[genxguy]

emailed APR for rates on their RollControl springs.

35% stiffer than stock 337 springs, they don't release specific rates.
According to Jeremy, HR springs are slightly stiffer than RollControls. Linear rate for VW applications.

so far, I'm torn between HR Sport, RollControl, and Vogtland...


Modified by genxguy at 5:36 PM 7-3-2003

[genxguy]

The rates for the Vogtland that you quoted on pg 1, are they for the Competition springs or the Red Violet springs? Thanks.

[MikekiM]

For the Vogtland Sports. Competitions are about another 10-20% stiffer.

[sicks]

skunk2 coilovers for mk2

400# all the way around..

this is the info they gave me on the fone when i called them

[SRSVW]

Copy H&R spring rates!! That is one of the funniest things I have ever heard!
The reason they dont quote rates is largely because the salesmen dont know and cant measure them.They dont have an engineer in this country!!! It is a simple thing to measure springs.Even the supposed progressives.It is H&Rs choice to not release the numbers to the consumer. I dont know about everyone else,but I wont do business with a company that wont support their product.You may if you choose,This is America after all. I have most H&R rates because I have taken the time to measure them. None were even close to the claimed rates when I was lucky enough to get them.If you want to know the rates (the real rates) you have to measure and test them.I will test them for you if you want to bring them by or send them.I dont keep my rates secret because you cant make a reasonable decision without the information.We should all put pressure on all these people that think their springs are magic and the rate is as secret as the formula for CocaCola
This is just an absurd situation!! I can assure you that no racing team buys springs without all the pertinent engineering data.It just isnt done!!Dont settle for this BULL.

Just my rant (I am worse with age) Dick Shine

[darrenewest]

Dick's right, most people who sell their products (H+R) have no idea what their doing. They have no idea what their trying to push .... it sayys race so it must handle better .......... I have ridden in a SRS MK IV setup and it was simply awesome. 2x better than my previous Neuspeed sport / Bilstein 28mm RSB setup .... But I couldn't cope with the non-existant drop and yes stiff setup.... So now i'm on PSS 9's and about the same level of the Shine real street with a excessive 1.75" Drop and no RSB .... Just as stiff. Considering adding a Shine rear O bar but that's another subject, Dick ?

[RABIDRABBIT1983]

O man don't dare call Dick Shines rear bar an O bar...they are similar but NOT near the same quality. better delete that part of your post if you. FWIW he's not to fond of the pss-9 as their heighest setting is still 1" drop, and as us Shine disciples know is to low for an mk4...

[darrenewest]

As I stated, I couldn't live with the non existant drop of the SRS kit, although I could live with the awesome handling of it, Yes my car is a compromise between looks and performance, I'm the first to admit to it. I'm not setup properly ... Im also running a purely asthetitcs wheel tire combo which does not help my handling situation 235/45/17 front and 245/40/17 on 8.5" and 10" Rims. So I'm screwed from the get-go. Sorry about the O bar comment Dick, I will be in touch with you concerning your RSB?, Soon.

[SRSVW]

Darren You seem like a nice guy so I will let it slide! Just kidding. I get really incensed when I hear my product mentioned in the same sentence as that inferior knockoff. It sounds like you did your homework and ended up with something that meets all of your needs! Great,that is what this is all about! I know that my kit isnt for everyone and talk as many people out of it as ones I sell. Thats OK.

Dick Shine

[TomSwift]

Manufacturer: Shine Racing Services (Real Street)
Vehicle: MKII Golf 4-cylinder models
Spring Type: Linear
FT Rate: 300
RR Rate: 250

I love my coilovers (for a MKIII VR6 I believe) and my rear bar (with the front removed).

That and the manual steering rack was the best thing I have done to my car (yet).

Thank you Dick!!!!!

[dubmata]

Quote, originally posted by alexb75 »

I've been after getting the H&R rates, but was not successfull so far. I've been told that they're not going to publish their rates so other companies won't copy their rates.

Maybe I'm just a bit naive but that doesn't make any sense to me. Couldn't competitors interested in copying their setup simply measure the springs themselves...?

[SRSVW]

Exactly!!!

Dick Shine

[wjbski]

-I've been after getting the H&R rates, but was not successfull so far. I've been told that they're not going to publish their rates so other companies won't copy their rates. -

I purchased H&R O.E. sports along with Koni yellows for my A2 jetta. I really liked the improved ride, but when I wanted to start to "fine tune" the set up, I tried to get the rates from H&R and they told me flat out that they don't release that information because it's proprietary. I could've sent the springs out to be "dyno-ed", but that would've left the car not running for 2 weeks, plus it would've cost $$ for shipping and testing. I got so dissapointed, I just sold the entire set-up. I'll probably attempt another suspension for my ' 92 jetta, but I can assure you that H&R WON'T be getting any more of my $$.

[pyce]

This is way too funny Like someone sells you a tire, but does not tell you what is the max load and how are they rated and what's the max PSI, the tread ware and traction ......... just tells you this is 205-16 tire, go use it, it will fit your rims....... And do not dare to ask for any data, because it is proprietary!

I actually almost can't believe all this, because H&R is so famous and old company, started by these two (pretty old now) gentlemen, who look like people who would know that publishing their spring rates would not harm in any way their established business.

[phatvw]

Neuspeed Sofsport/Softsport for MkIV

Golf/GTI 1.8T/VR6:
- Front: 200 lbs/inch, linear
- Rear: 160 lbs/inch, linear

Jetta and 2.0L are probably the same rates, but this is unconfirmed.

According to Neuspeed, the front springs are longer on the VR6 to account for the extra engine weight, but the spring rates are the same.

These springs appear to be "progressive" in the box, but when installed, the "progressive" coils bind up to a solid block under the weight of the car. They are there to prevent the spring from falling out of the perch at full suspension droop.

[dmkozak]

Quote, originally posted by phatvw »

Neuspeed Sofsport/Softsport for MkIV Golf/GTI 1.8T/VR6: - Front: 200 lbs/inch, linear

Shouldn't that be 220 lbs for the fronts?

[phatvw]

Quote, originally posted by dmkozak »

Shouldn't that be 220 lbs for the fronts?

According to Greg at Neuspeed, it is 200lbs not 220.

[dmkozak]

Sorry, that's got to be a typo on Greg's part. I've exchanged lots of e-mails with Greg, and both he and all of Neuspeed's literature say SofSports fronts are 220 lb rated springs.

P.S. 220/160 retains the Factory fr/rr spring rate ratio. Neuspeed is not known for changing these ratios. Otherwise, Neuspeed would be stiffening the rear proportionately more than the fronts, a la Shine.


Modified by dmkozak at 6:43 AM 8-13-2003

[phatvw]

Quote, originally posted by dmkozak »

Sorry, that's got to be a typo on Greg's part. I've exchanged lots of e-mails with Greg, and both he and all of Neuspeed's literature say SofSports fronts are 220 lb rated springs. P.S. 220/160 retains the Factory fr/rr spring rate ratio. Neuspeed is not known for changing these ratios. Otherwise, Neuspeed would be stiffening the rear proportionately more than the fronts, a la Shine. Modified by dmkozak at 6:43 AM 8-13-2003

Oh yeah thats right, he did mention preserving the front/rear ratio so it probably was a typo.

[gtimagic]

any confirmed spring rated for an A2 16v gti. (some companies offer diff. springs for 8 vs 16v)

I would be interested in:
H&R Sports
H&R Race
NSpd Sports
NSpd Race
RPI (by susp. tech.)
RPI (by H&R)
Eibach
Shines varieties
Bilstein BTS kit springs
Weitec
Apex

thanks

[keycom]

Bump

[scsi]

bump..very interesting stuff!

i wonder why weitec wont give out spring rates

[Sandlock]

if anyone has KW var2 rates for mark3's id like that too. ive heard wietec and kw are one in the same, so for either, thanks in advance

[cabzilla]

My new H&R RSS ClubSport coils : 800#f 400#r

Should be interesting when they go in this weekend.